From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Fam Zheng <fam.zheng@bytedance.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>,
linyongting@bytedance.com, songmuchun@bytedance.com,
satish.kumar@bytedance.com, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
yuanzhu@bytedance.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
fam@euphon.net, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
x86@kernel.org, liangma@bytedance.com,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
guojinhui.liam@bytedance.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
Thom Hughes <thom.hughes@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 08:22:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40419dea-666e-4a8d-97a7-fa571d7122f4@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250923153146.365015-1-fam.zheng@bytedance.com>
On 9/23/25 08:31, Fam Zheng wrote:
> In terms of fault isolation or security, all kernel instances share
> the same domain, as there is no supervising mechanism. A kernel bug
> in any partition can cause problems for the whole physical machine.
> This is a tradeoff for low-overhead / low-complexity, but hope in
> the future we can take advantage of some hardware mechanism to
> introduce some isolation.
I just don't think this is approach is viable. The buck needs to stop
_somewhere_. You can't just have a bunch of different kernels, with
nothing in charge of the system as a whole.
Just think of bus locks. They affect the whole system. What if one
kernel turns off split lock detection? Or has a different rate limit
than the others? What if one kernel is a big fan of WBINVD? How about
when they use resctrl to partition an L3 cache? How about microcode updates?
I'd just guess that there are a few hundred problems like that. Maybe more.
I'm not saying this won't be useful for a handful of folks in a tightly
controlled environment. But I just don't think it has a place in
mainline where it needs to work for everyone.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-24 15:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-23 15:31 [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 1/5] x86/boot/e820: Fix memmap to parse with 1 argument Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 2/5] x86/smpboot: Export wakeup_secondary_cpu_via_init Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 3/5] x86/parker: Introduce parker kerfs interface Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 4/5] x86/parker: Add parker initialisation code Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 15:31 ` [RFC 5/5] x86/apic: Make Parker instance use physical APIC Fam Zheng
2025-09-23 19:46 ` [RFC 0/5] parker: PARtitioned KERnel H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-24 15:22 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2025-09-24 16:21 ` [External] " Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 18:32 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <CABgc4wRgpYNARf+7MhsadfXjDJ0Vd01OoqnVdrW3m6dXMzQSaQ@mail.gmail.com>
2025-09-24 20:13 ` Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 19:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <CABgc4wTjc9nxmB16LkxiOL5gYO9K8kr46OqM=asyUkX7cT50Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-09-24 20:14 ` Fam Zheng
2025-09-24 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-25 7:26 ` [External] " Fam Zheng
2025-09-25 15:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-22 12:11 ` Pavel Machek
2025-10-23 1:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
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