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From: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, morten.rasmussen@arm.com,
	chris.redpath@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, thara.gopinath@linaro.org,
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	joel@joelfernandes.org, smuckle@google.com,
	adharmap@codeaurora.org, skannan@codeaurora.org,
	pkondeti@codeaurora.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	edubezval@gmail.com, srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
	currojerez@riseup.net, javi.merino@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 07/14] sched/topology: Introduce sched_energy_present static key
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:57:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180830095723.4qqbpft7gpbtgkhd@queper01-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180830092329.GS2960@e110439-lin>

Hi Patrick,

On Thursday 30 Aug 2018 at 10:23:29 (+0100), Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> Yes, dunno if it's just me but perhaps a bit of rephrasing could help.

Ok, so what about something a little bit more explicit like:

/*
 * The complexity of the Energy Model is defined as:
 *
 *		C = nr_pd * (nr_cpus + nr_cs)
 *
 * with parameters defined as:
 *  - nr_pd:	the number of performance domains
 *  - nr_cpus:	the number of CPUs
 *  - nr_cs:	the sum of the number of capacity states of all performance
 *		domains (for example, on a system with 2 performance domains,
 *		with 10 capacity states each, nr_cs = 2 * 10 = 20).
 *
 * It is generally not a good idea to use such a model in the wake-up path on
 * very complex platforms because of the associated scheduling overheads. The
 * arbitrary constraint below prevents that. It makes EAS usable up to 16 CPUs
 * with per-CPU DVFS and less than 8 capacity states each, for example.
 */

> Alternatively, why not having this comment and check after patches
> 11 and 12 ?

Oh, you don't like it here ? What's wrong with it :-) ?

> Right... I was totally confused by the idea that we don't
> run EAS if we just have 1 CPU per PD... my bad!
> 
> Although on those systems, since we don't have idle costs, should not
> be a spreading strategy always the best from an energy efficiency
> standpoint ?

Even with per-CPU DVFS, if you have big and little CPUs it matters
_where_ you execute a task, and you'll still need an Energy Model to
make good decisions in a generic way. But yes, there is definitely some
room for improvement for those platforms. That's something we could
improve later on top of this series I suppose.

Thanks for looking at the patches !
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-30  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-20  9:44 [PATCH v6 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] sched/cpufreq: Factor out utilization to frequency mapping Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 10:04   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 13:28     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-31  9:04       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-09-11  9:34       ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-11 12:32         ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-11 13:31           ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-10  9:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 10:38     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10 10:40       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-09-06  6:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-06 14:09     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07  0:14       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 16:22   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 16:56     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30 10:00       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-30 10:47         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30 12:50           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] sched/topology: Lowest CPU asymmetry sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] sched/topology: Introduce sched_energy_present static key Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 16:50   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 17:20     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30  9:23       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-30  9:57         ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2018-08-30 10:18           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-09-06  6:06   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-06  9:29     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-06 23:49       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-07  8:24         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] sched/fair: Clean-up update_sg_lb_stats parameters Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] sched/cpufreq: Refactor the utilization aggregation method Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 10:07     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10 10:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] sched/topology: Make Energy Aware Scheduling depend on schedutil Quentin Perret
2018-09-04 10:59   ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-06  9:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-06 14:38       ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07  8:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-07  8:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-07  9:02             ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07 15:29           ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-09 20:13             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10  8:24               ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  8:55                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10  9:43                   ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] OPTIONAL: cpufreq: dt: Register an Energy Model Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:12 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Rafael J. Wysocki

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