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From: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
To: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, morten.rasmussen@arm.com,
	chris.redpath@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, thara.gopinath@linaro.org,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, tkjos@google.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, smuckle@google.com,
	adharmap@codeaurora.org, skannan@codeaurora.org,
	pkondeti@codeaurora.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	edubezval@gmail.com, srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com,
	currojerez@riseup.net, javi.merino@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/14] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:50:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180830125031.GV2960@e110439-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180830104718.lvkkhyi3dtwkfjr7@queper01-lin>

On 30-Aug 11:47, Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Thursday 30 Aug 2018 at 11:00:20 (+0100), Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > Dunno... but, in any case, probably we don't care about using EAS until
> > the boot complete, isn't it?
> 
> So, as of now, EAS will typically start soon after CPUFreq. I don't see a
> point in starting before, and I'm not sure if starting it later is
> really what we want either ... It probably makes sense to start the
> DVFS-related features (CPUFreq, EAS, ...) together.
> 
> > Just to better understand, what is the most common activation path we expect ?
> > 
> >   1. system boot
> >   2. CPUs online
> >   3. CPUFreq initialization
> >   4. EM registered
> >   X. ???
> 
> X is sort of arch dependent (like the EM registration actually). For
> arm/arm64, the arch topology driver (see drivers/base/arch_topology.c)
> will rebuild the sched_domains once the capacities of CPU are
> discovered. In previous versions, I had a patch that did that explicitly:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20180724122521.22109-14-quentin.perret@arm.com/
> 
> However, I dropped this patch for v6 because I rebased the series on top
> of Morten's automatic flag detection patches, which happen to already do
> that for me. More precisely, Morten's patches will rebuild the sched
> domains if the SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY flag needs to be set somewhere in the
> hierarchy. EAS depends on this flag anyway, so I guess it's fine to rely
> on this rebuild to start EAS at the same time.
> 
> I have been wondering for a while if such a 'loose' way of starting EAS
> was alright or not. My conclusion was that it should be OK for now,
> because that should suit all the users I can see in the short/medium
> term. An alternative could be to introduce something like a notifier in
> the EM framework in order to let other subsystems know that the EM is
> complete or something along those lines. And then we could register a
> callback on this notifier to rebuild the sched_domains. But that's added
> complexity, which isn't really needed (yet). If that needs to be done to
> accomodate the needs of new users/archs, we can still implement that
> later :-)
> 
> >   N. partition_sched_domains
> >         build_perf_domains
> > 
> > IOW, who do we expect to call build_perf_domains for the first time ?
> 
> On arm/arm64, when the arch_topology driver calls rebuild_sched_domains.

Great, I missed that point, which you actually call out in the cover
letter. Thanks also for the more comprehensive explanation above!

> Thanks !
> Quentin

Cheers Patrick

-- 
#include <best/regards.h>

Patrick Bellasi

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-30 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-20  9:44 [PATCH v6 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 01/14] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 02/14] sched/cpufreq: Factor out utilization to frequency mapping Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 03/14] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 10:04   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 13:28     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-31  9:04       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-09-11  9:34       ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-11 12:32         ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-11 13:31           ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-10  9:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 10:38     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10 10:40       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 04/14] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-09-06  6:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-06 14:09     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07  0:14       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 05/14] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 16:22   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 16:56     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30 10:00       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-30 10:47         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30 12:50           ` Patrick Bellasi [this message]
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 06/14] sched/topology: Lowest CPU asymmetry sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 07/14] sched/topology: Introduce sched_energy_present static key Quentin Perret
2018-08-29 16:50   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-29 17:20     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30  9:23       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-30  9:57         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-30 10:18           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-09-06  6:06   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-06  9:29     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-06 23:49       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-09-07  8:24         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 08/14] sched/fair: Clean-up update_sg_lb_stats parameters Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 09/14] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 10/14] sched/cpufreq: Refactor the utilization aggregation method Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10 10:07     ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10 10:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 11/14] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 12/14] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 13/14] sched/topology: Make Energy Aware Scheduling depend on schedutil Quentin Perret
2018-09-04 10:59   ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-06  9:18     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-06 14:38       ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07  8:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-07  8:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-07  9:02             ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-07 15:29           ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-09 20:13             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10  8:24               ` Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  8:55                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-09-10  9:43                   ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-20  9:44 ` [PATCH v6 14/14] OPTIONAL: cpufreq: dt: Register an Energy Model Quentin Perret
2018-09-10  9:12 ` [PATCH v6 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Rafael J. Wysocki

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