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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: "Sultan Alsawaf (unemployed)" <sultan@kerneltoast.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched/fair: Remove magic hardcoded margin in fits_capacity()
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:41:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2544d644-d107-49a7-a64e-25334315b51a@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZsbH_EtbOPxtLMU0@sultan-box.localdomain>

On 22/08/2024 07:09, Sultan Alsawaf (unemployed) wrote:
> Hi Qais,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 05:35:00PM +0100, Qais Yousef wrote:
>> Replace hardcoded margin value in fits_capacity() with better dynamic
>> logic.
>>
>> 80% margin is a magic value that has served its purpose for now, but it
>> no longer fits the variety of systems that exist today. If a system is
>> over powered specifically, this 80% will mean we leave a lot of capacity
>> unused before we decide to upmigrate on HMP system.
>>
>> On many systems the little cores are under powered and ability to
>> migrate faster away from them is desired.
>>
>> Redefine misfit migration to mean the utilization threshold at which the
>> task would become misfit at the next load balance event assuming it
>> becomes an always running task.
>>
>> To calculate this threshold, we use the new approximate_util_avg()
>> function to find out the threshold, based on arch_scale_cpu_capacity()
>> the task will be misfit if it continues to run for a TICK_USEC which is
>> our worst case scenario for when misfit migration will kick in.

[...]

>> +	/*
>> +	 * Calculate the util at which the task must be considered a misfit.
>> +	 *
>> +	 * We must ensure that a task experiences the same ramp-up time to
>> +	 * reach max performance point of the system regardless of the CPU it
>> +	 * is running on (due to invariance, time will stretch and task will
>> +	 * take longer to achieve the same util value compared to a task
>> +	 * running on a big CPU) and a delay in misfit migration which depends
>> +	 * on TICK doesn't end up hurting it as it can happen after we would
>> +	 * have crossed this threshold.
>> +	 *
>> +	 * To ensure that invaraince is taken into account, we don't scale time
>> +	 * and use it as-is, approximate_util_avg() will then let us know the
>> +	 * our threshold.
>> +	 */
>> +	limit = approximate_runtime(arch_scale_cpu_capacity(cpu)) * USEC_PER_MSEC;
> 
> Perhaps it makes more sense to use `capacity` here instead of
> `arch_scale_cpu_capacity(cpu)`? Seems like reduced capacity due to HW pressure
> (and IRQs + RT util) should be considered, e.g. for a capacity inversion due to
> HW pressure on a mid core that results in a little core being faster.

If you want to keep it strictly 'uarch & freq-invariant' based, then it
wouldn't have to be called periodically in update_cpu_capacity(). Just
set rq->fits_capacity_threshold once after cpu_scale has been fully
(uArch & Freq) normalized.

[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-17 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-20 16:34 [RFC PATCH 00/16] sched/fair/schedutil: Better manage system response time Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] sched: cpufreq: Rename map_util_perf to sugov_apply_dvfs_headroom Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate the future util_avg value Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:34 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util Qais Yousef
2024-08-22  5:36   ` Sultan Alsawaf (unemployed)
2024-09-16 15:31     ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] sched/fair: Remove magic hardcoded margin in fits_capacity() Qais Yousef
2024-08-22  5:09   ` Sultan Alsawaf (unemployed)
2024-09-17 19:41     ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic 1.25 headroom from sugov_apply_dvfs_headroom() Qais Yousef
2024-11-13  4:51   ` John Stultz
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] sched/schedutil: Add a new tunable to dictate response time Qais Yousef
2024-09-16 22:22   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-09-17 10:22     ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] sched/pelt: Introduce PELT multiplier boot time parameter Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] sched/fair: Extend util_est to improve rampup time Qais Yousef
2024-09-17 19:21   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-10-14 16:04   ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] sched/fair: util_est: Take into account periodic tasks Qais Yousef
2024-11-13  4:57   ` John Stultz
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] sched/qos: Add a new sched-qos interface Qais Yousef
2024-11-28  1:47   ` John Stultz
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] sched/qos: Add rampup multiplier QoS Qais Yousef
2024-09-17 20:09   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-09-17 21:43   ` Ricardo Neri
2024-09-18 21:21     ` Ricardo Neri
2024-10-14 16:06   ` Christian Loehle
2024-11-28  0:12   ` John Stultz
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] sched/pelt: Add new waiting_avg to record when runnable && !running Qais Yousef
2024-09-18  7:01   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] sched/schedutil: Take into account waiting_avg in apply_dvfs_headroom Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] sched/schedutil: Ignore dvfs headroom when util is decaying Qais Yousef
2024-08-22  5:29   ` Sultan Alsawaf (unemployed)
2024-09-18 10:40   ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] sched/fair: Enable disabling util_est via rampup_multiplier Qais Yousef
2024-08-20 16:35 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] sched/fair: Don't mess with util_avg post init Qais Yousef
2024-09-16 12:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] sched/fair/schedutil: Better manage system response time Dietmar Eggemann

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