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From: "Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)" <superm1@kernel.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: mario.limonciello@amd.com, airlied@gmail.com,
	alexander.deucher@amd.com, christian.koenig@amd.com,
	dakr@kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, lenb@kernel.org,
	pavel@kernel.org, simona@ffwll.ch,
	Muhammad Usama Anjum <usama.anjum@collabora.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] drm/amd: Return -EBUSY for amdgpu_pmops_thaw() on success
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 14:34:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57f073e8-f600-4bdf-b3b9-a34df882cbdb@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0j=sw9X3mV2ddOD_-qJwxveXQ1faD6HWtStLo9xOpwYKA@mail.gmail.com>



On 10/20/2025 2:18 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 9:14 PM Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
> <superm1@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2025 1:50 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 8:32 PM Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
>>> <superm1@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2025 12:39 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 7:28 PM Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
>>>>> <superm1@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/2025 12:21 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 6:53 PM Mario Limonciello (AMD)
>>>>>>> <superm1@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The PM core should be notified that thaw was skipped for the device
>>>>>>>> so that if it's tried to be resumed (such as an aborted hibernate)
>>>>>>>> that it gets another chance to resume.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Muhammad Usama Anjum <usama.anjum@collabora.com>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>      drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c | 2 +-
>>>>>>>>      1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c
>>>>>>>> index 61268aa82df4d..d40af069f24dd 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c
>>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu_drv.c
>>>>>>>> @@ -2681,7 +2681,7 @@ static int amdgpu_pmops_thaw(struct device *dev)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             /* do not resume device if it's normal hibernation */
>>>>>>>>             if (!pm_hibernate_is_recovering() && !pm_hibernation_mode_is_suspend())
>>>>>>>> -               return 0;
>>>>>>>> +               return -EBUSY;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So that's why you need the special handling of -EBUSY in the previous patch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that you need to save some state in this driver and then use
>>>>>>> it in subsequent callbacks instead of hacking the core to do what you
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is the core decides "what" to call and more importantly
>>>>>> "when" to call it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE if the core thinks that something is thawed it will never call
>>>>>> resume, and that's why you end up in a bad place with Muhammad's
>>>>>> cancellation series and why I proposed this one to discuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could obviously go back to dropping this case entirely:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if (!pm_hibernate_is_recovering() && !pm_hibernation_mode_is_suspend())
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then the display turns on at thaw(), you do an unnecessary resource
>>>>>> eviction, it takes a lot longer if you have a ton of VRAM etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cancellation series is at odds with this code path AFAICS because
>>>>> what if hibernation is canceled after the entire thaw transition?
>>>>
>>>> Muhammad - did you test that specific timing of cancelling the hibernate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cleanup would need to be done before thawing user space I suppose.
>>>>
>>>> I agree; I think that series would need changes for it.
>>>>
>>>> But if you put that series aside, I think this one still has some merit
>>>> on it's own.  If another driver aborted the hibernate, I think the same
>>>> thing could happen if it happened to run before amdgpu's device thaw().
>>>>
>>>> That series just exposed a very "easy" way to reproduce this issue.
>>>
>>> Device thaw errors don't abort anything AFAICS.
>>>
>>
>> You're right; it doesn't abort, it just is saved to the logs.
>> The state is also not maintained.
>>> What can happen though is that another device may abort the final
>>> "power off" transition, which is one of the reasons why I think that
>>> rolling it back is generally hard.
>>
>> That's exactly the reason for the first patch in this series.  The state
>> of whether it succeeded isn't recorded.  So if thaw non-fatally fails
>> and you've saved state to indicate this then any of the other calls that
>> run can try again.
> 
> So long as they are called.
> 
> But as I said before, I would save the state in the driver thaw
> callback and then clear it in the driver poweroff callback and look at
> it in the driver restore callback.  If it is there at that point,
> poweroff has not run and hibernation is rolling back, so you need to
> do a "thaw".

Are you suggesting that the device driver should directly manipulate 
dev->power.is_suspended?

I'll do some testing but; I suppose that would work as well without 
needing to make core changes if you don't see a need for other devices 
to do this.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-20 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-20 16:50 [RFC 0/3] Fixups for cancelled hibernate Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-10-20 16:50 ` [RFC 1/3] PM: Mark device as suspended if it failed to resume Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-10-20 16:58   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2025-10-20 17:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 16:50 ` [RFC 2/3] PM: Don't pass up device_resume() -EBUSY errors Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-10-20 16:58   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2025-10-20 17:18   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 17:24     ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-20 16:50 ` [RFC 3/3] drm/amd: Return -EBUSY for amdgpu_pmops_thaw() on success Mario Limonciello (AMD)
2025-10-20 16:59   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2025-10-20 17:21   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 17:28     ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-20 17:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 18:32         ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-20 18:50           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 19:14             ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-20 19:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 19:34                 ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org) [this message]
2025-10-20 19:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-20 21:09                     ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-21 13:25                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-21 14:19                         ` Mario Limonciello (AMD) (kernel.org)
2025-10-21 14:12           ` Muhammad Usama Anjum

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