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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/12] s390: add pte_free_defer(), with use of mmdrop_async()
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:34:09 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZIsFQalF7rwVKXrD@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc5cd62e-d85f-36c3-ba37-db87e8b625d@google.com>

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 02:59:33PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:

> I guess the best thing would be to modify kernel/fork.c to allow the
> architecture to override free_mm(), and arch/s390 call_rcu to free mm.
> But as a quick and dirty s390-end workaround, how about:

RCU callbacks are not ordered so that doesn't seem like it helps..

synchronize_rcu would do the job since it is ordered, but I think the
performance cost is too great to just call it from mmdrop

rcu_barrier() followed by call_rcu on the mm struct might work, but I
don't know the cost

A per-cpu refcount scheme might also do the job reasonably

Making the page frag pool global (per-cpu global I guess) would also
remove the need to reach back to the freeable mm_struct and reduce the
need for struct page memory. This views it as a special kind of
kmemcache.

Another approach is to not use a rcu_head in the ptdesc at all.

With a global kmemcache-like-thing we could probably also organize
something where you don't use a rcu_head in the ptdesc, but instead
just a naked 'next' pointer. This would give enough space to have two
next pointers and the next pointers can be re-used for the normal free
list as well.

In this flow you'd thread the free'd frags onto a waterfall of global
per-cpu lists:
 - RCU free the next cycle
 - RCU free this cycle
 - Actually free

Where a single rcu_head and single call_rcu frees the entire 2nd list
to the 3rd list and then schedules the 1st list to be RCU'd next. This
eliminates the need to store a function pointer in the ptdesc at
all.

It requires some global per-cpu lock on the free/alloc paths however,
but this is basically what every other arch does as it frees the page
back to the page allocator.

I suspect that two next pointers would also eliminate pt_frag_refcount
entirely as we can encode that information in the low bits of the next
pointers.

> (Funnily enough, there's no problem when the stored mm gets re-used for
> a different mm, once past its spin_lock_init(&mm->context.lock);
> because

We do that have really weird "type safe by rcu" thing in the
allocators, but I don't quite know how it works.

> Powerpc is like that.  I have no idea how much gets wasted that way.
> I was keen not to degrade what s390 does: which is definitely superior,
> but possibly not worth the effort.

Yeah, it would be good to understand if this is really sufficiently
beneficial..

> I'll look into it, once I understand c2c224932fd0.  But may have to write
> to Vishal first, or get the v2 of my series out: if only I could work out
> a safe and easy way of unbreaking s390...

Can arches opt in to RCU freeing page table support and still keep
your series sane?

Honestly, I feel like trying to RCU enable page tables should be its
own series. It is a sufficiently tricky subject on its own right.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-15 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-29  6:11 [PATCH 00/12] mm: free retracted page table by RCU Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:14 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm/pgtable: add rcu_read_lock() and rcu_read_unlock()s Hugh Dickins
2023-05-31 17:06   ` Jann Horn
2023-06-02  2:50     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-02 14:21       ` Jann Horn
2023-05-29  6:16 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm/pgtable: add PAE safety to __pte_offset_map() Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29 13:56   ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]   ` <ZHeg3oRljRn6wlLX@ziepe.ca>
2023-06-02  5:35     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:17 ` [PATCH 03/12] arm: adjust_pte() use pte_offset_map_nolock() Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:18 ` [PATCH 04/12] powerpc: assert_pte_locked() " Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:20 ` [PATCH 05/12] powerpc: add pte_free_defer() for pgtables sharing page Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29 14:02   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-05-29 14:36     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-01 13:57       ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-02  6:38         ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-02 14:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-06  3:40       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-06 18:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-06 19:03           ` Peter Xu
2023-06-06 19:08             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-07  3:49               ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:21 ` [PATCH 06/12] sparc: " Hugh Dickins
2023-06-06  3:46   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:22 ` [PATCH 07/12] s390: add pte_free_defer(), with use of mmdrop_async() Hugh Dickins
2023-06-06  5:11   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-06 18:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-08  2:46       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-06 19:40     ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-08  3:35       ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-08 13:58         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-08 15:47         ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-13  6:34           ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-14 13:30             ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-14 21:59               ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-15 12:11                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-15 20:06                   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-16  8:38                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2023-06-15 12:34                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-06-15 21:09                   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-16 12:35                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-29  6:23 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm/pgtable: add pte_free_defer() for pgtable as page Hugh Dickins
2023-06-01 13:31   ` Jann Horn
     [not found]   ` <ZHekpAKJ05cr/GLl@ziepe.ca>
2023-06-02  6:03     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-02 12:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-29  6:25 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm/khugepaged: retract_page_tables() without mmap or vma lock Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29 23:26   ` Peter Xu
2023-05-31  0:38     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-31 15:34   ` Jann Horn
     [not found]     ` <ZHe0A079X9B8jWlH@x1n>
2023-05-31 22:18       ` Jann Horn
2023-06-01 14:06         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-06-06  6:18     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:26 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm/khugepaged: collapse_pte_mapped_thp() with mmap_read_lock() Hugh Dickins
2023-05-31 17:25   ` Jann Horn
2023-06-02  5:11     ` Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:28 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm/khugepaged: delete khugepaged_collapse_pte_mapped_thps() Hugh Dickins
2023-05-29  6:30 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: delete mmap_write_trylock() and vma_try_start_write() Hugh Dickins
2023-05-31 17:59 ` [PATCH 00/12] mm: free retracted page table by RCU Jann Horn
2023-06-02  4:37   ` Hugh Dickins
2023-06-02 15:26     ` Jann Horn
2023-06-06  6:28       ` Hugh Dickins

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