* [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings
@ 2016-10-17 22:03 Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-17 22:16 ` [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging Arnd Bergmann
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From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2016-10-17 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds
Cc: linux-s390, linux-ext4, Herbert Xu, Arnd Bergmann, netdev, x86,
ceph-devel, linux-kernel, dri-devel, linux-f2fs-devel, linux-mtd,
linux-crypto, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Martin Schwidefsky,
netfilter-devel, Ilya Dryomov, Mauro Carvalho Chehab,
David S. Miller, linux-media
This is a set of patches that I hope to get into v4.9 in some form
in order to turn on the -Wmaybe-uninitialized warnings again.
After talking to Linus in person at Linaro Connect about this, I
spent some time on finding all the remaining warnings, and this
is the resulting patch series. More details are in the description
of the last patch that actually enables the warning.
Let me know if there are other warnings that I missed, and whether
you think these are still appropriate for v4.9 or not.
A couple of patches are non-obvious, and could use some more
detailed review.
Arnd
Arnd Bergmann (28):
[v2] netfilter: nf_tables: avoid uninitialized variable warning
[v2] mtd: mtk: avoid warning in mtk_ecc_encode
[v2] infiniband: shut up a maybe-uninitialized warning
f2fs: replace a build-time warning with runtime WARN_ON
ext2: avoid bogus -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning
NFSv4.1: work around -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning
ceph: avoid false positive maybe-uninitialized warning
staging: lustre: restore initialization of return code
staging: lustre: remove broken dead code in
cfs_cpt_table_create_pattern
UBI: fix uninitialized access of vid_hdr pointer
block: rdb: false-postive gcc-4.9 -Wmaybe-uninitialized
[media] rc: print correct variable for z8f0811
[media] dib0700: fix uninitialized data on 'repeat' event
iio: accel: sca3000_core: avoid potentially uninitialized variable
crypto: aesni: avoid -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning
pcmcia: fix return value of soc_pcmcia_regulator_set
spi: fsl-espi: avoid processing uninitalized data on error
drm: avoid uninitialized timestamp use in wait_vblank
brcmfmac: avoid maybe-uninitialized warning in brcmf_cfg80211_start_ap
net: bcm63xx: avoid referencing uninitialized variable
net/hyperv: avoid uninitialized variable
x86: apm: avoid uninitialized data
x86: mark target address as output in 'insb' asm
x86: math-emu: possible uninitialized variable use
s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging
nios2: fix timer initcall return value
rocker: fix maybe-uninitialized warning
Kbuild: bring back -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning
Makefile | 10 +-
arch/arc/Makefile | 4 +-
arch/nios2/kernel/time.c | 1 +
arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c | 2 +-
arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel_glue.c | 121 +++++++++++++--------
arch/x86/include/asm/io.h | 4 +-
arch/x86/kernel/apm_32.c | 5 +-
arch/x86/math-emu/Makefile | 4 +-
arch/x86/math-emu/reg_compare.c | 16 +--
drivers/block/rbd.c | 1 +
drivers/gpu/drm/drm_irq.c | 4 +-
drivers/infiniband/core/cma.c | 56 +++++-----
drivers/media/i2c/ir-kbd-i2c.c | 2 +-
drivers/media/usb/dvb-usb/dib0700_core.c | 10 +-
drivers/mtd/nand/mtk_ecc.c | 19 ++--
drivers/mtd/ubi/eba.c | 2 +-
drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/bcm63xx_enet.c | 3 +-
drivers/net/ethernet/rocker/rocker_ofdpa.c | 4 +-
drivers/net/hyperv/netvsc_drv.c | 2 +-
.../broadcom/brcm80211/brcmfmac/cfg80211.c | 2 +-
drivers/pcmcia/soc_common.c | 2 +-
drivers/spi/spi-fsl-espi.c | 2 +-
drivers/staging/iio/accel/sca3000_core.c | 2 +
.../staging/lustre/lnet/libcfs/linux/linux-cpu.c | 7 --
drivers/staging/lustre/lustre/lov/lov_pack.c | 2 +
fs/ceph/super.c | 3 +-
fs/ext2/inode.c | 7 +-
fs/f2fs/data.c | 7 ++
fs/nfs/nfs4session.c | 10 +-
net/netfilter/nft_range.c | 10 +-
scripts/Makefile.ubsan | 4 +
31 files changed, 187 insertions(+), 141 deletions(-)
--
Cc: x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
2.9.0
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* [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging
2016-10-17 22:03 [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings Arnd Bergmann
@ 2016-10-17 22:16 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-18 6:48 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-10-17 22:19 ` [PATCH 28/28] Kbuild: bring back -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-18 5:08 ` [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings Christoph Hellwig
2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2016-10-17 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Martin Schwidefsky, Heiko Carstens
Cc: Linus Torvalds, linux-kernel, Arnd Bergmann, Sebastian Ott,
Gerald Schaefer, Joerg Roedel, Christian Borntraeger, linux-s390
gcc correctly warns about an incorrect use of the 'pa' variable
in case we pass an empty scatterlist to __s390_dma_map_sg:
arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c: In function '__s390_dma_map_sg':
arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c:309:13: warning: 'pa' may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized]
This adds a bogus initialization to the function to sanitize
the debug output. I would have preferred a solution without
the initialization, but I only got the report from the
kbuild bot after turning on the warning again, and didn't
manage to reproduce it myself.
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
---
arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
index 7350c8b..6b2f72f 100644
--- a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
+++ b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@ static int __s390_dma_map_sg(struct device *dev, struct scatterlist *sg,
dma_addr_t dma_addr_base, dma_addr;
int flags = ZPCI_PTE_VALID;
struct scatterlist *s;
- unsigned long pa;
+ unsigned long pa = 0;
int ret;
size = PAGE_ALIGN(size);
--
2.9.0
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* [PATCH 28/28] Kbuild: bring back -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning
2016-10-17 22:03 [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-17 22:16 ` [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging Arnd Bergmann
@ 2016-10-17 22:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-18 5:08 ` [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings Christoph Hellwig
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2016-10-17 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds, Michal Marek
Cc: Nicolas Pitre, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Heiko Carstens, dri-devel,
linux-mtd, Ingo Molnar, linux-s390, Herbert Xu, x86,
Christian Borntraeger, Ilya Dryomov, linux-ext4, linux-media,
Kees Cook, Arnd Bergmann, linux-kbuild, Josh Poimboeuf,
ceph-devel, Mauro Carvalho Chehab, linux-snps-arc, netdev,
linux-kernel, linux-f2fs-devel, netfilter-devel, linux-crypto,
Vineet Gupta
Traditionally, we have always had warnings about uninitialized variables
enabled, as this is part of -Wall, and generally a good idea [1], but it
also always produced false positives, mainly because this is a variation
of the halting problem and provably impossible to get right in all cases
[2].
Various people have identified cases that are particularly bad for false
positives, and in commit e74fc973b6e5 ("Turn off -Wmaybe-uninitialized
when building with -Os"), I turned off the warning for any build that
was done with CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE. This drastically reduced the number
of false positive warnings in the default build but unfortunately had
the side effect of turning the warning off completely in 'allmodconfig'
builds, which in turn led to a lot of warnings (both actual bugs, and
remaining false positives) to go in unnoticed.
With commit 877417e6ffb9 ("Kbuild: change CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
definition") enabled the warning again for allmodconfig builds in v4.7
and in v4.8-rc1, I had finally managed to address all warnings I get in
an ARM allmodconfig build and most other maybe-uninitialized warnings
for ARM randconfig builds.
However, commit 6e8d666e9253 ("Disable "maybe-uninitialized" warning
globally") was merged at the same time and disabled it completely for
all configurations, because of false-positive warnings on x86 that
I had not addressed until then. This caused a lot of actual bugs to
get merged into mainline, and I sent several dozen patches for these
during the v4.9 development cycle. Most of these are actual bugs,
some are for correct code that is safe because it is only called
under external constraints that make it impossible to run into
the case that gcc sees, and in a few cases gcc is just stupid and
finds something that can obviously never happen.
I have now done a few thousand randconfig builds on x86 and collected
all patches that I needed to address every single warning I got
(I can provide the combined patch for the other warnings if anyone
is interested), so I hope we can get the warning back and let people
catch the actual bugs earlier.
Note that the majority of the patches I created are for the third kind
of problem (stupid false-positives), for one of two reasons:
- some of them only get triggered in certain combinations of config
options, so we don't always run into them, and
- the actual bugs tend to get addressed much quicker as they also
lead to incorrect runtime behavior.
These 27 patches address the warnings that either occur in one of the more
common configurations (defconfig, allmodconfig, or something built by the
kbuild robot or kernelci.org), or they are about a real bug. It would be
good to get these all into v4.9 if we want to turn on the warning again.
I have tested these extensively with gcc-4.9 and gcc-6 and done a bit
of testing with gcc-5, and all of these should now be fine. gcc-4.8
is much worse about the false-positive warnings and is also fairly old
now, so I'm leaving the warning disabled with that version. gcc-4.7 and
older don't understand the -Wno-maybe-uninitialized option and are not
affected by this patch either way.
I have another (smaller) series of patches for warnings that are both
harmless and not as easy to trigger, and I will send them for inclusion
in v4.10.
Link: https://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=232 [1]
Link: https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Better_Uninitialized_Warnings [2]
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
---
Makefile | 10 ++++++----
arch/arc/Makefile | 4 +++-
scripts/Makefile.ubsan | 4 ++++
3 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
Cc: x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index 512e47a..43cd3d9 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -370,7 +370,7 @@ LDFLAGS_MODULE =
CFLAGS_KERNEL =
AFLAGS_KERNEL =
LDFLAGS_vmlinux =
-CFLAGS_GCOV = -fprofile-arcs -ftest-coverage -fno-tree-loop-im
+CFLAGS_GCOV = -fprofile-arcs -ftest-coverage -fno-tree-loop-im -Wno-maybe-uninitialized
CFLAGS_KCOV := $(call cc-option,-fsanitize-coverage=trace-pc,)
@@ -620,7 +620,6 @@ ARCH_CFLAGS :=
include arch/$(SRCARCH)/Makefile
KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,-fno-delete-null-pointer-checks,)
-KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-disable-warning,maybe-uninitialized,)
KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-disable-warning,frame-address,)
ifdef CONFIG_LD_DEAD_CODE_DATA_ELIMINATION
@@ -629,15 +628,18 @@ KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,-fdata-sections,)
endif
ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
-KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os
+KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Os $(call cc-disable-warning,maybe-uninitialized,)
else
ifdef CONFIG_PROFILE_ALL_BRANCHES
-KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
+KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2 $(call cc-disable-warning,maybe-uninitialized,)
else
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -O2
endif
endif
+KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-ifversion, -lt, 0409, \
+ $(call cc-disable-warning,maybe-uninitialized,))
+
# Tell gcc to never replace conditional load with a non-conditional one
KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,--param=allow-store-data-races=0)
diff --git a/arch/arc/Makefile b/arch/arc/Makefile
index aa82d13..19cce22 100644
--- a/arch/arc/Makefile
+++ b/arch/arc/Makefile
@@ -71,7 +71,9 @@ cflags-$(CONFIG_ARC_DW2_UNWIND) += -fasynchronous-unwind-tables $(cfi)
ifndef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
# Generic build system uses -O2, we want -O3
# Note: No need to add to cflags-y as that happens anyways
-ARCH_CFLAGS += -O3
+#
+# Disable the false maybe-uninitialized warings gcc spits out at -O3
+ARCH_CFLAGS += -O3 $(call cc-disable-warning,maybe-uninitialized,)
endif
# small data is default for elf32 tool-chain. If not usable, disable it
diff --git a/scripts/Makefile.ubsan b/scripts/Makefile.ubsan
index dd779c4..3b1b138 100644
--- a/scripts/Makefile.ubsan
+++ b/scripts/Makefile.ubsan
@@ -17,4 +17,8 @@ endif
ifdef CONFIG_UBSAN_NULL
CFLAGS_UBSAN += $(call cc-option, -fsanitize=null)
endif
+
+ # -fsanitize=* options makes GCC less smart than usual and
+ # increase number of 'maybe-uninitialized false-positives
+ CFLAGS_UBSAN += $(call cc-option, -Wno-maybe-uninitialized)
endif
--
2.9.0
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* Re: [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings
2016-10-17 22:03 [PATCH 00/28] Reenable maybe-uninitialized warnings Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-17 22:16 ` [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-17 22:19 ` [PATCH 28/28] Kbuild: bring back -Wmaybe-uninitialized warning Arnd Bergmann
@ 2016-10-18 5:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Hellwig @ 2016-10-18 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Arnd Bergmann
Cc: Linus Torvalds, linux-kernel, x86, linux-media,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab, Martin Schwidefsky, linux-s390,
Ilya Dryomov, dri-devel, linux-mtd, Herbert Xu, linux-crypto,
David S. Miller, netdev, Greg Kroah-Hartman, ceph-devel,
linux-f2fs-devel, linux-ext4, netfilter-devel
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:03:28AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> This is a set of patches that I hope to get into v4.9 in some form
> in order to turn on the -Wmaybe-uninitialized warnings again.
Hi Arnd,
I jsut complained to Geert that I was introducing way to many
bugs or pointless warnings for some compilers lately, but gcc didn't
warn me about them. From a little research the lack of
-Wmaybe-uninitialized seems to be the reason for it, so I'm all
for re-enabling it.
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* Re: [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging
2016-10-17 22:16 ` [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging Arnd Bergmann
@ 2016-10-18 6:48 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-10-18 8:53 ` Sebastian Ott
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Martin Schwidefsky @ 2016-10-18 6:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Arnd Bergmann
Cc: Heiko Carstens, Linus Torvalds, linux-kernel, Sebastian Ott,
Gerald Schaefer, Joerg Roedel, Christian Borntraeger, linux-s390
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 00:16:13 +0200
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> gcc correctly warns about an incorrect use of the 'pa' variable
> in case we pass an empty scatterlist to __s390_dma_map_sg:
>
> arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c: In function '__s390_dma_map_sg':
> arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c:309:13: warning: 'pa' may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized]
>
> This adds a bogus initialization to the function to sanitize
> the debug output. I would have preferred a solution without
> the initialization, but I only got the report from the
> kbuild bot after turning on the warning again, and didn't
> manage to reproduce it myself.
>
> Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> ---
> arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> index 7350c8b..6b2f72f 100644
> --- a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> +++ b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> @@ -423,7 +423,7 @@ static int __s390_dma_map_sg(struct device *dev, struct scatterlist *sg,
> dma_addr_t dma_addr_base, dma_addr;
> int flags = ZPCI_PTE_VALID;
> struct scatterlist *s;
> - unsigned long pa;
> + unsigned long pa = 0;
> int ret;
>
> size = PAGE_ALIGN(size);
The compiler is right. pa is set in the for-loop. If "dma_addr < dma_addr_base + size"
is never true and __dma_purge_tlb() returns with an error, pa *is* uninitialized.
The fix seems sensible to me.
--
blue skies,
Martin.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin.
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* Re: [PATCH 25/28] s390: pci: don't print uninitialized data for debugging
2016-10-18 6:48 ` Martin Schwidefsky
@ 2016-10-18 8:53 ` Sebastian Ott
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Sebastian Ott @ 2016-10-18 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Martin Schwidefsky
Cc: Arnd Bergmann, Heiko Carstens, Linus Torvalds, linux-kernel,
Gerald Schaefer, Joerg Roedel, Christian Borntraeger, linux-s390
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 00:16:13 +0200
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>
> > gcc correctly warns about an incorrect use of the 'pa' variable
> > in case we pass an empty scatterlist to __s390_dma_map_sg:
> >
> > arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c: In function '__s390_dma_map_sg':
> > arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c:309:13: warning: 'pa' may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized]
> >
> > This adds a bogus initialization to the function to sanitize
> > the debug output. I would have preferred a solution without
> > the initialization, but I only got the report from the
> > kbuild bot after turning on the warning again, and didn't
> > manage to reproduce it myself.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> > ---
> > arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c | 2 +-
> > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> > index 7350c8b..6b2f72f 100644
> > --- a/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> > +++ b/arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c
> > @@ -423,7 +423,7 @@ static int __s390_dma_map_sg(struct device *dev, struct scatterlist *sg,
> > dma_addr_t dma_addr_base, dma_addr;
> > int flags = ZPCI_PTE_VALID;
> > struct scatterlist *s;
> > - unsigned long pa;
> > + unsigned long pa = 0;
> > int ret;
> >
> > size = PAGE_ALIGN(size);
>
> The compiler is right. pa is set in the for-loop. If "dma_addr < dma_addr_base + size"
> is never true and __dma_purge_tlb() returns with an error, pa *is* uninitialized.
> The fix seems sensible to me.
Although that could only happen if map_sg is called with zero length sg
list entries I'm in favor getting rid of that warning.
Acked-by: Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Regards,
Sebastian
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