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From: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, pjones@redhat.com, michaelc@cs.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:12:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1237403542.14147.23.camel@chandra-ubuntu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1237402051.3350.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 18:47 +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 18:36 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> > From: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
> > 
> > This patch allows the use of modaliases on scsi targets to correctly
> > load scsi device handler modules when the devices are found.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
> 
> I have to say this is a bit icky.
> 
> overloading the modalias type like this produces several nasty effects:
> 
>      1. You don't actually care about type for any of the scsi_dh
>         handlers, so they all have it as a useless extra field
>      2. TYPE_ANY is a bogus (non SAM) definition ... I suppose it's
>         unlikely ever to clash, but you never know

>From (1) and (2) are you suggesting _not_ to use the TYPE field for
scsi_dh handlers ?

>      3. scsi_dh handlers would now get loaded on *any* system ...
>         regardless of whether it's using multipathing or not ... that's
>         going to cause problems with other multi path solutions, I bet.

Actually that is the intent. We _do_ want scsi_dh handlers to be loaded
before multipath comes into picture.

Basically we want the handlers to be available ASAP after the device is
configured. The reason is:
 - These devices are active/passive, SCSI doesn't know about it and
   any I/O sent to SCSI will be sent down to the device, irrespective 
   of the active/passive nature of the device in that path. When the
   device (path) is passive, I/O leads to time delay and extraneous 
   error message (these are the two main reasons we moved the
   device handler code from dm-multipath layer to SCSI(scsi_dh)).

With scsi_dh, I/O to the passive path will be short circuited in
prep_fn() and errors are REQ_QUIET'd.

Currently I suggest users to add these modules to their initrd to make
them available ASAP (as described at
http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/MultipathUsageGuide#head-fb3efbb82fa69ca86b7db26423c235ae6c280caa)

If we have the support thru modalias, then appropriate modules will be
included in initrd by the installer, thereby making it easier for the
user.

BTW, dm-multipath currently have code to insert appropriate modules if
needed (if they are not already made available).

> 
> Why not use a separately defined module alias for this ... and then
> program udev to understand it and do the loading only if multipath is
> actually present?  I think we might have to add the INQUIRY strings to
> the uenv for this, but it would be a much more elegant solution.
> 
> James
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-18 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18  1:36 [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:44   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 14:02     ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 14:36       ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 18:30   ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:18     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-19 18:54       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 18:24         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-23 22:13           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-03 22:43             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-07 20:59               ` James Bottomley
2009-04-07 23:41                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08 15:08                 ` Peter Jones
2009-04-15 21:52                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-16 15:18                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:22               ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-04-07 23:50                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-08  5:15                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-04-08 19:13                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 18:47   ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 19:12     ` Chandra Seetharaman [this message]
2009-03-18 20:09       ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 20:24         ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 20:26           ` James Bottomley
2009-03-18 20:59         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-20 17:41         ` Peter Jones
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] scsi_dh: Change scsi device handler modules to utilize modalias Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 13:46   ` Konrad Rzeszutek
2009-03-18 15:43     ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 17:25       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 17:50         ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:18           ` Kay Sievers
2009-03-18 19:44             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18 18:50           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 19:46             ` Stefan Richter
2009-03-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 3/3] scsi_dh: Workaround a race condition in module insertion Chandra Seetharaman
2009-03-18 11:31 ` [PATCH 0/3] scsi_dh: Make scsi device handler modules automatically inserted Hannes Reinecke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-27 18:06 Chandra Seetharaman
2009-04-27 18:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] scsi_dh: Add modalias support for SCSI targets Chandra Seetharaman

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