From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: mjacob@feral.com
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
sullivan <sullivan@austin.ibm.com>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Persistent naming of scsi devices
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:07:01 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200204081907.g38J71S05041@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:34:02 PDT." <Pine.BSF.4.21.0204081129180.46879-100000@beppo>
mjacob@feral.com said:
> For the current discussion, it seems to me that unlabelled/unimported
> disks/volumes (i.e., ones w/o a UUID) still can be named unambiguosly
> by the unwieldy names because you're likely to put a UUID on them very
> very quickly. Furthermore, a minor amount of effort in userland tools
> can make the manipulation of said names not as much of a problem.
I agree, but there are the edge cases where you can't put a UUID on them.
I think, however, that what the discussion is showing us is that there is no
one universal way to get a unique name for a volume, so what we want is some
type of pluggable infrastructure which allows us to construct a unique name.
As far as persistent binding goes, I think having the ability to persistently
bind the unique name to a device is a useful feature for those of us who don't
want to know what the actual unique name is (or who want a nicer name).
However, nothing should prevent you from passing the name as a string to mount
instead of using persistent binding (even if the string turns out to have to
be a set of hex digits). Perhaps we could even have a user level table of
nice UUID to unwieldy unique name mapping, and you can use a user specified
UUID without having to put anything on the device or partition.
The summary so far, as I see it, is
1) persistent binding might be a user friendly way of uniquely identifying
devices
2) UUID doesn't solve the problem because not everything has one
3) ditto for WWN or EVPID
Another wrinkle is that UUID is partition specific, but WWN etc. are device
specific.
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-04-08 19:07 UTC|newest]
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2002-04-08 15:18 [RFC] Persistent naming of scsi devices sullivan
2002-04-08 15:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 15:59 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 16:34 ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:27 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-04-08 19:17 ` James Bottomley
2002-04-09 0:22 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-04-09 14:35 ` sullivan
2002-04-09 14:55 ` sullivan
2002-04-08 17:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 18:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 18:18 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:28 ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:34 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 19:07 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2002-04-08 20:41 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:45 ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-08 20:18 ` Eddie Williams
2002-04-09 0:48 ` Kurt Garloff
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2002-04-08 16:11 Matt_Domsch
2002-04-08 19:18 Martin Peschke3
2002-04-08 20:45 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-10 1:16 ` Rick Stevens
2002-04-10 2:01 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-10 2:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-10 3:37 ` Martin K. Petersen
2002-04-10 13:19 ` Theodore Tso
2002-04-10 14:04 ` Eddie Williams
2002-04-10 17:45 ` Mike Anderson
2002-04-08 22:05 Martin Peschke3
2002-04-08 22:17 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-10 1:40 Bryan Henderson
2002-04-10 14:28 berthiaume_wayne
2002-04-10 14:36 berthiaume_wayne
2002-04-10 16:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-10 15:28 Bryan Henderson
2002-04-10 15:52 Martin Peschke3
2002-04-10 19:33 ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-10 16:44 berthiaume_wayne
2002-04-10 19:02 Martin Peschke3
2002-04-10 20:24 berthiaume_wayne
2002-04-11 16:01 Bryan Henderson
2002-04-12 13:15 berthiaume_wayne
2002-04-12 17:18 Bryan Henderson
2002-04-12 18:03 berthiaume_wayne
2002-06-05 20:13 sullivan
2002-06-06 1:08 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-06-11 2:46 Proposed changes to generic blk tag for use in SCSI (1/3) James Bottomley
2002-06-11 5:50 ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 14:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11 14:45 ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 16:39 ` James Bottomley
2002-06-13 21:01 ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 21:26 ` James Bottomley
[not found] <200206132126.g5DLQiQ24889@localhost.localdomain>
2002-06-13 21:50 ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 22:09 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-05 23:53 When must the io_request_lock be held? Jamie Wellnitz
2002-08-06 17:58 ` Mukul Kotwani
2002-08-07 14:48 ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 15:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 16:18 ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 16:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 18:06 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-07 23:17 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-08 19:28 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-08-07 16:55 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-08-12 23:38 [PATCH] 2.5.31 scsi_error.c cleanup Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 14:05 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 16:34 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 17:11 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 20:10 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 16:29 [RFC]: 64 bit LUN/Tags, dummy device in host_queue, host_lock <-> LLDD reentrancy Aron Zeh
2002-08-26 16:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 17:27 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 19:00 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 20:57 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 21:10 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 22:38 ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 22:56 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-08-26 23:10 ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-28 14:38 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 21:15 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-03 14:35 aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset? James Bottomley
2002-09-03 18:23 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 19:09 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 20:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 21:32 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 21:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 22:50 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 7:40 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:24 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 17:13 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-05 9:50 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:13 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 16:50 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05 9:39 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-05 13:35 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05 23:56 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-06 0:13 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-06 0:32 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-03 21:13 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 21:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 22:42 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 22:52 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 21:16 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-04 10:37 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-04 10:48 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-04 11:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 16:25 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-04 19:34 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-03 21:24 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-03 22:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 23:26 ` Alan Cox
[not found] <200209091458.g89Evv806056@localhost.localdomain>
2002-09-09 16:56 ` [RFC] Multi-path IO in 2.5/2.6 ? Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-09 17:34 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-09 18:40 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 13:02 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:03 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 16:27 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 0:08 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 7:55 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-10 13:04 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:20 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 13:16 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 19:26 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-11 14:20 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-11 19:17 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 19:37 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-11 19:52 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 21:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-11 20:30 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-11 21:17 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 17:21 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 18:42 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 19:00 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 19:37 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 11:35 SCSI woes (followup) Russell King
2002-09-24 13:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 13:58 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 14:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 18:16 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:18 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 19:01 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:08 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 19:21 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:32 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 20:00 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:23 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 23:04 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:39 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:14 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:26 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:31 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:56 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:33 ` Russell King
2002-09-25 0:47 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-25 8:45 ` Russell King
2002-09-25 2:18 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-25 14:41 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:33 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:45 ` Russell King
2002-09-25 0:08 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25 8:41 ` Russell King
2002-09-25 17:22 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25 12:46 ` Russell King
2002-09-24 17:57 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:39 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 18:49 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-30 21:06 [PATCH] first cut at fixing unable to requeue with no outstanding commands James Bottomley
2002-09-30 23:28 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01 0:38 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 15:01 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-01 15:14 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 16:23 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01 16:30 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 20:18 ` Inhibit auto-attach of scsi disks ? Scott Merritt
2002-10-02 0:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02 1:49 ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02 1:58 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 2:45 ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02 13:40 ` Alan Cox
[not found] <dledford@redhat.com>
2002-10-02 0:28 ` PATCH: scsi device queue depth adjustability patch Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 1:16 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02 1:41 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 13:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02 21:41 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-02 22:18 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 23:19 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 12:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:35 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-04 1:40 ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-10-03 14:25 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:41 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-03 17:00 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-16 21:35 ` scsi_scan.c question Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:41 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-17 0:18 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:57 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-18 15:57 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-18 0:27 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18 0:36 ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18 2:46 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18 3:20 ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18 3:26 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18 0:43 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Andries Brouwer
2002-11-18 2:47 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18 0:57 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Alan Cox
2002-11-18 2:34 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-12-21 1:22 ` scsi_scan changes Doug Ledford
2002-12-21 1:27 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 15:01 [PATCH] scsi host cleanup 3/3 (driver changes) Stephen Cameron
2002-10-10 16:46 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-10 16:59 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 20:05 ` Mike Anderson
[not found] <patmans@us.ibm.com>
2002-10-15 16:55 ` [RFC PATCH] consolidate SCSI-2 command lun setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:00 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 16:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5 current bk fix setting scsi queue depths Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 17:17 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-30 18:05 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-31 0:44 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 18:55 [patch 2.5] ips " Jeffery, David
2002-10-15 19:30 ` Dave Hansen
2002-10-15 19:47 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:04 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:52 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 23:30 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 23:56 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-16 2:32 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 19:04 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16 20:15 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-17 0:39 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-17 17:01 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-17 21:13 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 20:10 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 20:24 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:10 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-16 1:04 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 20:24 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 22:46 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:26 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 21:27 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16 0:43 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-21 7:28 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-21 16:16 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-21 16:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-21 19:34 [PATCH] get rid of ->finish method for highlevel drivers Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 23:58 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 15:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 18:43 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-22 23:17 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 23:30 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-23 14:16 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-23 15:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-24 1:36 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-24 23:20 ` Willem Riede
2002-10-24 23:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-25 0:02 ` Willem Riede
2002-10-22 7:30 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 11:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-06 4:24 [PATCH] fix 2.5 scsi queue depth setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 4:35 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 17:15 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 17:47 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:24 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:32 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:39 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:50 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 19:50 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 20:45 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 21:19 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 20:50 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 22:18 [PATCH] add request prep functions to SCSI J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 23:16 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 23:43 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-07 21:45 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-15 20:34 [RFC][PATCH] move dma_mask into struct device J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16 0:19 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-16 14:48 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16 20:33 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-17 15:07 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16 19:40 [PATCH] removel useless mod use count manipulation Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17 2:59 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 17:31 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-17 18:14 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 12:40 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-17 12:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17 13:38 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-21 15:16 [PATCH] turn scsi_allocate_device into readable code Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-21 15:36 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 15:39 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 15:49 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 16:12 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 17:08 ` [PATCH] current scsi-misc-2.5 include files Patrick Mansfield
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