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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	"Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset?
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:48:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200209032148.g83LmeP09177@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com> of "Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:13:21 EDT." <20020903171321.A12201@redhat.com>

dledford@redhat.com said:
> But, regardless, the REQ_BARRIER ordering *can* be preserved  while
> using abort processing.  Since the command that needs aborting is,  as
> you are hypothesizing, before the REQ_BARRIER command, and since it
> hasn't completed, then the REQ_BARRIER command can not be complete and
>  neither can any of the commands behind the REQ_BARRIER.

You are correct.  However, as soon as you abort the problem command (assuming 
the device recovers from this), it will go on its merry way processing the 
remaining commands in the queue.  Assuming one of these is the barrier, you've 
no way now of re-queueing the aborted command so that it comes before the 
ordered tag barrier.  You can try using a head of queue tag, but it's still a 
nasty race.

> On direct access  devices you are only concerned about ordering around
> the barrier, not  ordering of the actual tagged commands, so for abort
> you can actually call  abort on all the commands past the REQ_BARRIER
> command first, then the  REQ_BARRIER command, then the hung command.
> That would do the job and  preserve REQ_BARRIER ordering while still
> using aborts.

I agree, but the most likely scenario is that now you're trying to abort 
almost every tag for that device in the system.  Isn't reset a simpler 
alternative to this?

> > At best, abort probably causes a command to overtake a barrier it shouldn't, 
> > at worst we abort the ordered tag that is the barrier and transactional 
> > integrity is lost.
> > 
> > When error correction is needed, we have to return all the commands for that 
> > device to the block layer so that ordering and barrier issues can be taken 
> > care of in the reissue.

> Not really, this would be easily enough done in the ML_QUEUE area of
> the  scsi layer, but it matters not to me.  However, if you throw a
> BDR, then  you have cancelled all outstanding commands and (typically)
> initiated a  hard reset of the device which then requires a device
> settle time.  All of  this is more drastic and typically takes longer
> than the individual aborts  which are completed in a single connect->
> disconnect cycle without ever  hitting a data phase and without
> triggering a full device reset and  requiring a settle time. 

I agree.  I certainly could do it.  I'm just a lazy so-and-so.  However, think 
what it does.  Apart from me having to do more work, the code becomes longer 
and the error recovery path more convoluted and difficult to follow.  The 
benefit?  well, error recovery might be faster in certain circumstances.  I 
just don't see that it's a cost effective change.  If you're hitting error 
recovery so often that whether it recovers in  half a second or several 
seconds makes a difference, I'd say there's something else wrong.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-03 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 269+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-03 14:35 aic7xxx sets CDR offline, how to reset? James Bottomley
2002-09-03 18:23 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 19:09   ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 20:59     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 21:32       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 21:54         ` Alan Cox
2002-09-03 22:50         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:28           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04  7:40           ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:24             ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 17:13               ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-05  9:50               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-04 16:13           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-04 16:50             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05  9:39               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-05 13:35                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-05 23:56                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-06  0:13                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2002-09-06  0:32                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-03 21:13     ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 21:48       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2002-09-03 22:42         ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 22:52           ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-03 23:29           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 21:16           ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-04 10:37         ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-04 10:48           ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-04 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-04 16:25             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-04 19:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-03 21:24     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-03 22:02       ` James Bottomley
2002-09-03 23:26         ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <dledford@redhat.com>
2002-10-02  0:28 ` PATCH: scsi device queue depth adjustability patch Doug Ledford
2002-10-02  1:16   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02  1:41     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 13:44       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02 21:41   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-02 22:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02 23:19       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 12:46       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:35         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-04  1:40         ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-10-03 14:25   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-03 16:41     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-03 17:00       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-16 21:35 ` scsi_scan.c question Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:41   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-17  0:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 21:57   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-18 15:57     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-18  0:27 ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:36   ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18  2:46     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  3:20       ` aic7xxx_biosparam J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-18  3:26         ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:43   ` aic7xxx_biosparam Andries Brouwer
2002-11-18  2:47     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-11-18  0:57   ` aic7xxx_biosparam Alan Cox
2002-11-18  2:34     ` aic7xxx_biosparam Doug Ledford
2002-12-21  1:22 ` scsi_scan changes Doug Ledford
2002-12-21  1:27   ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-11-21 15:16 [PATCH] turn scsi_allocate_device into readable code Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-21 15:36 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 15:39   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 15:49     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-21 16:12       ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-21 17:08         ` [PATCH] current scsi-misc-2.5 include files Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-16 19:40 [PATCH] removel useless mod use count manipulation Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17  2:59 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 17:31   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-17 18:14     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-17 12:40 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-17 12:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-11-17 13:38     ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-11-15 20:34 [RFC][PATCH] move dma_mask into struct device J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16  0:19 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-16 14:48   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-16 20:33 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-17 15:07   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 22:18 [PATCH] add request prep functions to SCSI J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 23:16 ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 23:43   ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-07 21:45 ` Mike Anderson
2002-11-06  4:24 [PATCH] fix 2.5 scsi queue depth setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06  4:35 ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 17:15 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 17:47 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:24   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:32     ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 18:39       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 18:50         ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 19:50           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-11-06 20:45     ` Doug Ledford
2002-11-06 21:19       ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-06 20:50 ` Doug Ledford
     [not found] <patmans@us.ibm.com>
2002-10-15 16:55 ` [RFC PATCH] consolidate SCSI-2 command lun setting Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:00     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 16:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5 current bk fix setting scsi queue depths Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-30 17:17   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-30 18:05     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-31  0:44       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-21 19:34 [PATCH] get rid of ->finish method for highlevel drivers Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 23:58 ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 15:48   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-22 18:43     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-22 23:17       ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 23:30         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-23 14:16           ` James Bottomley
2002-10-23 15:13             ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-24  1:36               ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-24 23:20               ` Willem Riede
2002-10-24 23:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-25  0:02                   ` Willem Riede
2002-10-22  7:30 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-22 11:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-15 18:55 [patch 2.5] ips queue depths Jeffery, David
2002-10-15 19:30 ` Dave Hansen
2002-10-15 19:47 ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:04   ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 20:52     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 23:30       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-15 23:56         ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-16  2:32         ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-16 19:04           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16 20:15             ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-17  0:39             ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-17 17:01               ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-17 21:13                 ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 20:10   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 20:24     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:38     ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 22:10       ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-16  1:04         ` James Bottomley
2002-10-15 20:24   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-15 22:46     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-15 20:26   ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-15 21:27     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-16  0:43       ` Luben Tuikov
2002-10-21  7:28   ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-21 16:16     ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-21 16:29       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 15:01 [PATCH] scsi host cleanup 3/3 (driver changes) Stephen Cameron
2002-10-10 16:46 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-10 16:59   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-10 20:05     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-30 21:06 [PATCH] first cut at fixing unable to requeue with no outstanding commands James Bottomley
2002-09-30 23:28 ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01  0:38   ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 15:01     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-10-01 15:14       ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 16:23         ` Mike Anderson
2002-10-01 16:30           ` James Bottomley
2002-10-01 20:18         ` Inhibit auto-attach of scsi disks ? Scott Merritt
2002-10-02  0:46           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-02  1:49             ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02  1:58               ` Doug Ledford
2002-10-02  2:45                 ` Scott Merritt
2002-10-02 13:40               ` Alan Cox
2002-09-24 11:35 SCSI woes (followup) Russell King
2002-09-24 13:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 13:58   ` Russell King
2002-09-24 14:29     ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 18:16       ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:18     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 19:01       ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:08       ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 19:21         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 19:32       ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 20:00         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:23           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-24 23:04             ` Russell King
2002-09-24 22:39         ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:14           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:26             ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:31               ` James Bottomley
2002-09-24 23:56                 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:33               ` Russell King
2002-09-25  0:47                 ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-25  8:45                   ` Russell King
2002-09-25  2:18                 ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-25 14:41               ` Russell King
2002-09-24 23:33           ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 23:45             ` Russell King
2002-09-25  0:08           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25  8:41             ` Russell King
2002-09-25 17:22               ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-25 12:46             ` Russell King
2002-09-24 17:57   ` Luben Tuikov
2002-09-24 18:39     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-24 18:49       ` Luben Tuikov
     [not found] <200209091458.g89Evv806056@localhost.localdomain>
2002-09-09 16:56 ` [RFC] Multi-path IO in 2.5/2.6 ? Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-09 17:34   ` James Bottomley
2002-09-09 18:40     ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 13:02       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:03         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 16:27         ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10  0:08     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10  7:55       ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-09-10 13:04         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 16:20           ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 13:16       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-10 19:26         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-11 14:20           ` James Bottomley
2002-09-11 19:17             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 19:37               ` James Bottomley
2002-09-11 19:52                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-09-11 21:38                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-11 20:30             ` Doug Ledford
2002-09-11 21:17               ` Mike Anderson
2002-09-10 17:21       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 18:42         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-09-10 19:00           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-09-10 19:37             ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-08-26 16:29 [RFC]: 64 bit LUN/Tags, dummy device in host_queue, host_lock <-> LLDD reentrancy Aron Zeh
2002-08-26 16:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 17:27   ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 19:00     ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 20:57       ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 21:10         ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 22:38           ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-26 22:56             ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-08-26 23:10             ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-28 14:38             ` James Bottomley
2002-08-26 21:15         ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-12 23:38 [PATCH] 2.5.31 scsi_error.c cleanup Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 14:05 ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 16:34   ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-22 17:11     ` James Bottomley
2002-08-22 20:10       ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-05 23:53 When must the io_request_lock be held? Jamie Wellnitz
2002-08-06 17:58 ` Mukul Kotwani
2002-08-07 14:48 ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 15:26   ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 16:18     ` Doug Ledford
2002-08-07 16:48       ` James Bottomley
2002-08-07 18:06         ` Mike Anderson
2002-08-07 23:17           ` James Bottomley
2002-08-08 19:28         ` Luben Tuikov
2002-08-07 16:55       ` Patrick Mansfield
     [not found] <200206132126.g5DLQiQ24889@localhost.localdomain>
2002-06-13 21:50 ` Proposed changes to generic blk tag for use in SCSI (1/3) Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 22:09   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11  2:46 James Bottomley
2002-06-11  5:50 ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 14:29   ` James Bottomley
2002-06-11 14:45     ` Jens Axboe
2002-06-11 16:39       ` James Bottomley
2002-06-13 21:01 ` Doug Ledford
2002-06-13 21:26   ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 15:18 [RFC] Persistent naming of scsi devices sullivan
2002-04-08 15:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 15:59   ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 16:34   ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:27     ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-04-08 19:17       ` James Bottomley
2002-04-09  0:22         ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-04-09 14:35           ` sullivan
2002-04-09 14:55         ` sullivan
2002-04-08 17:51   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 18:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-04-08 18:18     ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:28       ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 18:34         ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 19:07           ` James Bottomley
2002-04-08 20:41             ` Matthew Jacob
2002-04-08 18:45   ` Tigran Aivazian
2002-04-08 20:18 ` Eddie Williams
2002-04-09  0:48 ` Kurt Garloff

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