From: Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>
To: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 00/26] Improve write performance for zoned UFS devices
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:10:49 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe7c85ee-11ad-43fd-a38f-5ab56e28f8dc@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cbbcd4b5-0134-4b8b-bd06-d0a2091118f5@acm.org>
On 1/10/25 04:02, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 11/19/24 12:01 AM, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>> On 11/19/24 09:27, Bart Van Assche wrote:
>>> This patch series improves small write IOPS by a factor of four (+300%) for
>>> zoned UFS devices on my test setup with an UFSHCI 3.0 controller. Although
>>> you are probably busy because the merge window is open, please take a look
>>> at this patch series when you have the time. This patch series is organized
>>> as follows:
>>> - Bug fixes for existing code at the start of the series.
>>> - The write pipelining support implementation comes after the bug fixes.
>>
>> Impressive improvements but the changes are rather invasive. Have you tried
>> simpler solution like forcing unplugging a zone write plug from the driver once
>> a command is passed to the driver and the driver did not reject it ? It seems
>> like this would make everything simpler on the block layer side. But I am not
>> sure if the performance gains would be the same.
>
> (replying to an email from two months ago)
>
> Hi Damien,
>
> Here is a strong reason why the simpler solution mentioned above is not
> sufficient: if anything goes wrong with the communication between UFS
> host controller and UFS device (e.g. a command timeout or a power mode
> transition fails) then the SCSI error handler is activated. This results
> in ufshcd_err_handler() being called. That function resets both the host
> controller and the UFS device (ufshcd_reset_and_restore()). At that time
> multiple commands may be outstanding.
>
> In other words, submitting UFS commands in order is not sufficient. An
> approach is needed that is compatible with the SCSI error handler and
> also that ensures that commands are resubmitted in LBA order per zone
> after the SCSI error handler has completed.
If the failed commands are retried, they will be requeued and you will not see
the error as the request will not be completed yet, no ? And if you do see the
error back in the block layer, you cannot just retry the command at will. The
issuer must do that, no ? I am confused...
Please send patches to discuss based on code. That will be easier.
>
> The statistics I have access to show that the UFS error handler is
> activated infrequently or never on any single device but also that it is
> activated a nontrivial number of times across the entire device
> population.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bart.
>
--
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-10 5:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-19 0:27 [PATCH v16 00/26] Improve write performance for zoned UFS devices Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 01/26] blk-zoned: Fix a reference count leak Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 2:23 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 20:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 02/26] blk-zoned: Split disk_zone_wplugs_work() Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 03/26] blk-zoned: Split queue_zone_wplugs_show() Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 2:25 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 04/26] blk-zoned: Only handle errors after pending zoned writes have completed Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 2:50 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 20:51 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-21 3:23 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-21 17:43 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 05/26] blk-zoned: Fix a deadlock triggered by unaligned writes Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 2:57 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:04 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-21 3:32 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-21 17:51 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-25 4:00 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-25 4:19 ` Damien Le Moal
2025-01-09 19:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-01-10 5:07 ` Damien Le Moal
2025-01-10 18:17 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 06/26] blk-zoned: Fix requeuing of zoned writes Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 3:00 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:06 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 07/26] block: Support block drivers that preserve the order of write requests Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:37 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 08/26] dm-linear: Report to the block layer that the write order is preserved Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 09/26] mq-deadline: Remove a local variable Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:38 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:27 ` [PATCH v16 10/26] blk-mq: Clean up blk_mq_requeue_work() Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:39 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 11/26] block: Optimize blk_mq_submit_bio() for the cache hit scenario Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:40 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 12/26] block: Rework request allocation in blk_mq_submit_bio() Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:44 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 13/26] block: Support allocating from a specific software queue Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 14/26] blk-mq: Restore the zoned write order when requeuing Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:52 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 15/26] blk-zoned: Document the locking order Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:52 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 16/26] blk-zoned: Document locking assumptions Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:53 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-21 3:34 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 17/26] blk-zoned: Uninline functions that are not in the hot path Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:55 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 21:20 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-21 3:36 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 18/26] blk-zoned: Make disk_should_remove_zone_wplug() more robust Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 7:58 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 19/26] blk-zoned: Add an argument to blk_zone_plug_bio() Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 20/26] blk-zoned: Support pipelining of zoned writes Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 21/26] scsi: core: Retry unaligned " Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 22/26] scsi: sd: Increase retry count for " Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 23/26] scsi: scsi_debug: Add the preserves_write_order module parameter Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 24/26] scsi: scsi_debug: Support injecting unaligned write errors Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 25/26] scsi: scsi_debug: Skip host/bus reset settle delay Bart Van Assche
2024-11-19 0:28 ` [PATCH v16 26/26] scsi: ufs: Inform the block layer about write ordering Bart Van Assche
[not found] ` <37f95f44-ab1d-20db-e0c7-94946cb9d4eb@quicinc.com>
2024-11-22 18:20 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-23 0:34 ` Can Guo
2024-11-19 8:01 ` [PATCH v16 00/26] Improve write performance for zoned UFS devices Damien Le Moal
2024-11-19 19:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-21 3:20 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-11-21 18:00 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-11-25 3:59 ` Damien Le Moal
2025-01-09 19:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-01-10 5:10 ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2024-11-19 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-19 18:52 ` Bart Van Assche
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