From: "Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: "Justin Suess" <utilityemal77@gmail.com>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
"Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi" <memxor@gmail.com>,
"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
"Mateusz Guzik" <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>, "Tingmao Wang" <m@maowtm.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2026 01:02:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PICFFAU5Z.14KOZT5YJO7MA@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261013164800.2906577-1-utilityemal77@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 12:47 PM Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com> wrote:
> The structure is unchanged from the RFC [2]: a stepwise engine private
> to namei.c, a callback front-end for in-kernel callers (Landlock
> is converted, fixing the follow_up() race Al reported, hence the
> Fixes: tag on patch 3), and open-coded BPF iterators over the engine in
> referenced and rcu flavors, with bpf_path_ancestors_legitimize()
> escalating from the latter to the former mid-walk. Patch 1 is carried
> from Song's series. See the RFC cover for the full background and API
> listing.
Song's series stopped at
"It is a conceptual dead-end to expose these two modes via separate APIs
and leak this implementation detail into non-core code. It will not
happen as far as I'm concerned."
VFS_WALK_RCU, -ECHILD to the caller, two bpf iterators and the
legitimize kfunc are that leak.
Landlock still passes flags == 0, so nothing in the kernel walks in
rcu mode.
Patches 1-3 fix a real race and don't need bpf.
Send them to Christian, Al and Mickael on their own.
> Verifier fixes propagating the RCU-ness to trusted fields can be done,
> but it's best as a separate series where the idea can be examined more
> closely. Then marking the dentry as trusted will allow you to use the
> dentry xattr kfuncs. Nothing in this series strictly depends on having
> a trusted dentry, nor will marking it trusted require changes in this
> API. See my follow up [4].
Then what can a prog do with a position?
pos->dentry is untrusted now.
Marking it trusted will require changes.
d = pos->dentry is not linked to pos. It will stay trusted after
bpf_path_put(pos).
pos of the rcu iterator points into bpf stack.
MEM_RCU propagation fixes neither.
What next() should return depends on how the verifier tracks it.
Let's do the verifier part first.
pw-bot: cr
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-17 1:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-13 16:47 [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 01/11] namei: introduce __path_walk_parent() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:54 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 02/11] namei: add vfs_walk_ancestors() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:00 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 03/11] landlock: convert ancestor walk to vfs_walk_ancestors() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:55 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 04/11] namei: expose the stepwise ancestor walk to fs/ Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:54 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 05/11] bpf: add a path ancestor iterator Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:11 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 18:00 ` Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 06/11] selftests/bpf: exercise the " Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:56 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 19:50 ` Justin Suess
2026-10-14 6:41 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 07/11] fs: add mnt_undo_legitimize() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:59 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 08/11] namei: add an rcu-walk mode to the ancestor walk Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:01 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 17:56 ` Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 09/11] bpf: support "__uninit" iterator arguments in generic kfuncs Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:04 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 10/11] bpf: add a lockless path ancestor iterator Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:03 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:48 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 11/11] selftests/bpf: exercise the " Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:57 ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 17:50 ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-17 1:02 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2026-10-17 1:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF Justin Suess
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