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From: "Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: "Justin Suess" <utilityemal77@gmail.com>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi" <memxor@gmail.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Mateusz Guzik" <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>, "Tingmao Wang" <m@maowtm.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2026 01:02:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PICFFAU5Z.14KOZT5YJO7MA@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261013164800.2906577-1-utilityemal77@gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 12:47 PM Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com> wrote:
> The structure is unchanged from the RFC [2]: a stepwise engine private
> to namei.c, a callback front-end for in-kernel callers (Landlock
> is converted, fixing the follow_up() race Al reported, hence the
> Fixes: tag on patch 3), and open-coded BPF iterators over the engine in
> referenced and rcu flavors, with bpf_path_ancestors_legitimize()
> escalating from the latter to the former mid-walk.  Patch 1 is carried
> from Song's series.  See the RFC cover for the full background and API
> listing.

Song's series stopped at
"It is a conceptual dead-end to expose these two modes via separate APIs
and leak this implementation detail into non-core code. It will not
happen as far as I'm concerned."
VFS_WALK_RCU, -ECHILD to the caller, two bpf iterators and the
legitimize kfunc are that leak.
Landlock still passes flags == 0, so nothing in the kernel walks in
rcu mode.
Patches 1-3 fix a real race and don't need bpf.
Send them to Christian, Al and Mickael on their own.

> Verifier fixes propagating the RCU-ness to trusted fields can be done,
> but it's best as a separate series where the idea can be examined more
> closely.  Then marking the dentry as trusted will allow you to use the
> dentry xattr kfuncs.  Nothing in this series strictly depends on having
> a trusted dentry, nor will marking it trusted require changes in this
> API.  See my follow up [4].

Then what can a prog do with a position?
pos->dentry is untrusted now.
Marking it trusted will require changes.
d = pos->dentry is not linked to pos. It will stay trusted after
bpf_path_put(pos).
pos of the rcu iterator points into bpf stack.
MEM_RCU propagation fixes neither.
What next() should return depends on how the verifier tracks it.
Let's do the verifier part first.

pw-bot: cr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-17  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-13 16:47 [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 01/11] namei: introduce __path_walk_parent() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:54   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 02/11] namei: add vfs_walk_ancestors() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:00   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 03/11] landlock: convert ancestor walk to vfs_walk_ancestors() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:55   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 04/11] namei: expose the stepwise ancestor walk to fs/ Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:54   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 05/11] bpf: add a path ancestor iterator Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 18:00     ` Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 06/11] selftests/bpf: exercise the " Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:56   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 19:50   ` Justin Suess
2026-10-14  6:41     ` Jose E. Marchesi
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 07/11] fs: add mnt_undo_legitimize() Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:59   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 08/11] namei: add an rcu-walk mode to the ancestor walk Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:01   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 17:56     ` Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 09/11] bpf: support "__uninit" iterator arguments in generic kfuncs Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:04   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:47 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 10/11] bpf: add a lockless path ancestor iterator Justin Suess
2026-10-13 17:03   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 16:48 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 11/11] selftests/bpf: exercise the " Justin Suess
2026-10-13 16:57   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-13 17:50   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-17  1:02 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2026-10-17  1:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/11] fs: unified VFS ancestor walk for Landlock and BPF Justin Suess

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