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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com>,
	lgirdwood@gmail.com, broonie@kernel.org, tiwai@suse.com,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kai.vehmanen@linux.intel.com,
	ranjani.sridharan@linux.intel.com,
	yung-chuan.liao@linux.intel.com, pierre-louis.bossart@linux.dev,
	liam.r.girdwood@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Release paused streams before suspend if resume is not supported
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2025 19:19:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jz83ztn7.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e7d5b08-c983-49aa-8076-062d02848da2@perex.cz>

On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:58:40 +0200,
Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> 
> On 01. 04. 25 16:49, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 15:36:52 +0200,
> > Peter Ujfalusi wrote:
> >> 
> >> Streams moved to SUSPENDED state from PAUSED without trigger. If a stream
> >> does not support RESUME then on system resume the RESUME trigger is not
> >> sent, the stream's state and suspended_state remains untouched.
> >> When the user space releases the pause then the core will reject this
> >> because the state of the stream is _not_ PAUSED, it is still SUSPENDED.
> >> 
> >>  From this point user space will do the normal (hw_params) prepare and
> >> START, PAUSE_RELEASE trigger will not be sent by the core after the
> >> system has resumed.
> 
> Why you expect to see PAUSE_RELEASE trigger before SUSPEND trigger
> when resume is not supported ? I think that the driver has complete
> information:
> 
> PAUSE -> SUSPEND [-> no RESUME]
> 
> The driver should stay in the suspend state until a new stream
> re-initialization is invoked.
> 
> It looks like that other logic should be moved to the end driver (if
> some parts must be reinitialized in the suspend phase when the resume
> is not supported). I don't think that this is job for PCM core nor SoC
> PCM core routines.
> 
> The SUSPEND trigger is always invoked, isn't?

No, that's a part of the problems.  The ops->suspend is called only
for the running state, while at snd_pcm_post_suspend(), the state is
changed to SUSPENDED.  The original state is saved as
suspended_state, and this can be restored via snd_pcm_resume(), but
only if the driver supports the full resume.

We may allow calling ops->suspend also for PAUSED state, too.  But
then each driver would need to have to handle this state change, too.
Currently, when snd_pcm_prepare(), *_drop() or *_drain() is called at
PAUSED state, the core automatically releases the pause beforehand.

> >> To fix this issue, release the paused stream before handling the suspend
> >> if the resume is not supported.
> >> This will ensure that the stream is properly suspended for suspend entry.
> >> On resume no attempt will be taken to resume the suspended stream as the
> >> resume is not supported, userspace will eventually going restart the audio.
> >> 
> >> Link: https://github.com/thesofproject/linux/issues/5035
> >> Link: https://github.com/thesofproject/linux/issues/5341
> >> Suggested-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
> >> Signed-off-by: Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com>
> > 
> > Applied now.  Thanks.
> 
> I would consider revert if my objection is appropriate.

OK, I dropped the patch for now until we get agreement.


thanks,

Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-01 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-01 13:36 [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Release paused streams before suspend if resume is not supported Peter Ujfalusi
2025-04-01 14:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-01 16:58   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-01 17:19     ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2025-04-01 18:46       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-01 19:27         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02  6:41           ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02  8:14             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  8:09           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  8:39             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02  8:52               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  9:16                 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 10:45                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02 11:21                     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 11:43                       ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 11:50                         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 12:52                           ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 13:23                             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 10:13                               ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-03 14:01                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 15:24                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-03 16:09                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 19:05                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-04 10:44                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-04 11:33                                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-04 14:44                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-08  7:03                                         ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-08  8:51                                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-08  9:45                                             ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-04  8:58                                     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-04  9:08                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-08  6:35                                   ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 12:55                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  9:28                 ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 11:27                   ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 11:53                     ` Takashi Iwai

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