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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com>,
	lgirdwood@gmail.com, broonie@kernel.org, tiwai@suse.com,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kai.vehmanen@linux.intel.com,
	ranjani.sridharan@linux.intel.com,
	yung-chuan.liao@linux.intel.com, pierre-louis.bossart@linux.dev,
	liam.r.girdwood@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Release paused streams before suspend if resume is not supported
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 13:21:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o6xeyfkk.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d4169edb-1dcc-4eef-9f3e-9b8c93cdc648@perex.cz>

On Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:45:36 +0200,
Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> 
> On 02. 04. 25 11:16, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
> >>>> For my view, the drivers may also receive those triggers:
> >>>> 
> >>>> SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_PAUSE_RELEASE_AND_STOP
> >>>> SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_SUSPEND_IN_PAUSE
> >>>> SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_RELEASE_IN_PAUSE
> >>>> 
> >>>> This will allow to handle all states properly without any side effects
> >>>> (like short unwanted DMA transfers).
> >>>> 
> >>>> The drivers should probably activate those triggers conditionally to
> >>>> not break current state sequences.
> >>> 
> >>> Hmm, that looks too complex, IMO.
> >>> 
> >>> Another slightly more straightforward fix would be just to allow the
> >>> direct state transition from PAUSED to any state.  Then the remaining
> >>> piece is all about driver implementations.  And, this can be
> >>> conditionally operated, e.g. only when some extra flag is set.  When
> >>> no flag is set, we keep applying PAUSE_RELEASE before the transition
> >>> like now, including Peter's patch, that can work generically (but not
> >>> always ideally).
> >> 
> >> It looks also feasible. My proposal just allows the straight state
> >> identification from the trigger value in the drivers.
> > 
> > On the second thought, yet another variant would be to introduce only
> > one new trigger, SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_PAUSE_RESET, for resetting the
> > PAUSED state as a step before stopping the stream.  This can be
> > applied to all cases for snd_pcm_drop() and snd_pcm_suspend(), too.
> > If the driver doesn't support this mode, the PCM core may fall back to
> > SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_PAUSE_RELEASE.
> 
> This looks identical to my proposed
> SNDRV_PCM_TRIGGER_PAUSE_RELEASE_AND_STOP which is more
> explanatory. It's not clear what PAUSE_RESET should do (probably the
> stream should be kept inactive).

There is a slight difference.  My proposal, *_TRIGGER_PAUSE_RESET,
doesn't have to stop the stream by itself, but it's only a preparation
for stopping.  That is, a proper TRIGGER_STOP always follows after
TRIGGER_PAUSE_RESET.


thanks,

Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-02 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-01 13:36 [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Release paused streams before suspend if resume is not supported Peter Ujfalusi
2025-04-01 14:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-01 16:58   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-01 17:19     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-01 18:46       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-01 19:27         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02  6:41           ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02  8:14             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  8:09           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  8:39             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02  8:52               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  9:16                 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 10:45                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02 11:21                     ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2025-04-02 11:43                       ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 11:50                         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 12:52                           ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 13:23                             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 10:13                               ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-03 14:01                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 15:24                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-03 16:09                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-03 19:05                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-04 10:44                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-04 11:33                                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-04 14:44                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-08  7:03                                         ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-08  8:51                                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-08  9:45                                             ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-04  8:58                                     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-04  9:08                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-08  6:35                                   ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 12:55                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2025-04-02  9:28                 ` Péter Ujfalusi
2025-04-02 11:27                   ` Takashi Iwai
2025-04-02 11:53                     ` Takashi Iwai

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