[uml-devel] poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[uml-devel] poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[roland]

have seen the same problem with a uml 2.6.6 guest compiled and running on a suse 9.1 host.
(mkstemp failed and left processes after shutdown)

what`s your host OS ? 
what`s your guest rootfs?
do you use skas or tt ?

btw: should we file a bug-report at:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=429&atid=100429
or shouldn`t that bugtracker not being used anymore - in general ?
if not, IMHO that bugtracker should be marked "obsolete"(like the SF cvs repository) - otherwise
newbies will file reports there and get pissed , because nobody cares about.
on that page there still are bugs "open" for years now - and nobody knows, if they still exist, or 
not.

i think it`s very difficult, to track bugs on the mailinglist, only.
we know, that jeff is collecting the bug reports:
>The bug tracker is the UML mailing lists.  I stick bug reports and patches in 
>a todo folder and delete them from there when I fix (or merge) them.  I pay
>almost no attention to the SF patch and bug report thingies.  So if you want
>your bug to get attention, send it to one of the lists.

imho, if uml users/developers probably hit a bug, they should be able to browse the list of 
known uml bugs and add comments. this adds transparency and encourages people to try to reproduce. 
furthermore, this could encourage people to "debug" some uml code, because they see: ohhh 
- that bug has priority 9 for 6 months now - let`s have a look....i`m soo geeky - probably 
i get this fixed :)
currently, there isn`t much transparency - users need to dig into the whole "noise" of the 
mailinglist - and if a bug is reported on the mailinglist a while ago, jeff is the only person 
to know, that this bug exists and still needs to be fixed.

i would like to give an example for a really nice "bug page":
http://rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml

that page is created by a script, which extracts the information from SF and puts it into a 
nicely formatted page:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/rockbox/www/getbugs.pl

why not using it, too ?
i vote for it!
:)
comments ?

regards
roland

ps:
since such bug page needs maintenance - i offer doing that job (as good as i can).




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Olliver" <mpo@thermeoneurope.com>
To: <user-mode-linux-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem


> Hi
> 
> I am using a host and guest 2.6.6 kernel with uml and skas patches 
> applied. I can get a uml instance to startup ok and can talk to it via 
> the network.
> 
> However, I can not communicate with it via mconsole, when it boots it 
> gives me the error:
>     make_umid - mkstemp failed, errno = 2
> 
> also when I shut the uml instance down with a shutdown -h 0 is shuts 
> down the instance but leaves a few processes running on the host system.
> 
> I have been starting the instances using
> ./linux umid=uml127 ubd0=root_fs_cp127 udb1=swapfile-uml127 
> eth0=tuntap,,,192.168.xxx.250
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions of where I may have gone wrong are welcome.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
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> 
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[uml-devel] Re: poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[Mark Olliver]

Hi,

The host OS is 2.6.6 with skas and drbd patches, the guest is 2.6.6 with 
uml and skas. It only seams to take some of the command line options ie 
it doesnt respond to mem= or umid= . It also doesnt cleanly shut down.

Mark

roland wrote:

>have seen the same problem with a uml 2.6.6 guest compiled and running on a suse 9.1 host.
>(mkstemp failed and left processes after shutdown)
>
>what`s your host OS ? 
>what`s your guest rootfs?
>do you use skas or tt ?
>
>btw: should we file a bug-report at:
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=429&atid=100429
>or shouldn`t that bugtracker not being used anymore - in general ?
>if not, IMHO that bugtracker should be marked "obsolete"(like the SF cvs repository) - otherwise
>newbies will file reports there and get pissed , because nobody cares about.
>on that page there still are bugs "open" for years now - and nobody knows, if they still exist, or 
>not.
>
>i think it`s very difficult, to track bugs on the mailinglist, only.
>we know, that jeff is collecting the bug reports:
>  
>
>>The bug tracker is the UML mailing lists.  I stick bug reports and patches in 
>>a todo folder and delete them from there when I fix (or merge) them.  I pay
>>almost no attention to the SF patch and bug report thingies.  So if you want
>>your bug to get attention, send it to one of the lists.
>>    
>>
>
>imho, if uml users/developers probably hit a bug, they should be able to browse the list of 
>known uml bugs and add comments. this adds transparency and encourages people to try to reproduce. 
>furthermore, this could encourage people to "debug" some uml code, because they see: ohhh 
>- that bug has priority 9 for 6 months now - let`s have a look....i`m soo geeky - probably 
>i get this fixed :)
>currently, there isn`t much transparency - users need to dig into the whole "noise" of the 
>mailinglist - and if a bug is reported on the mailinglist a while ago, jeff is the only person 
>to know, that this bug exists and still needs to be fixed.
>
>i would like to give an example for a really nice "bug page":
>http://rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml
>
>that page is created by a script, which extracts the information from SF and puts it into a 
>nicely formatted page:
>http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/rockbox/www/getbugs.pl
>
>why not using it, too ?
>i vote for it!
>:)
>comments ?
>
>regards
>roland
>
>ps:
>since such bug page needs maintenance - i offer doing that job (as good as i can).
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mark Olliver" <mpo@thermeoneurope.com>
>To: <user-mode-linux-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:12 PM
>Subject: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I am using a host and guest 2.6.6 kernel with uml and skas patches 
>>applied. I can get a uml instance to startup ok and can talk to it via 
>>the network.
>>
>>However, I can not communicate with it via mconsole, when it boots it 
>>gives me the error:
>>    make_umid - mkstemp failed, errno = 2
>>
>>also when I shut the uml instance down with a shutdown -h 0 is shuts 
>>down the instance but leaves a few processes running on the host system.
>>
>>I have been starting the instances using
>>./linux umid=uml127 ubd0=root_fs_cp127 udb1=swapfile-uml127 
>>eth0=tuntap,,,192.168.xxx.250
>>
>>Any ideas or suggestions of where I may have gone wrong are welcome.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-- 
>>Mark Olliver
>>
>>Thermeon Europe Ltd.
>>
>>e-Card: http://www.thermeoneurope.com/e-Card/mpo
>>
>>Email mpo@thermeoneurope.com
>>Web www.thermeoneurope.com
>>
>>Support 0906 515 0908
>>Int. Support +44 1293 864 341
>>Support Email support@thermeoneurope.com
>>
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>>Sales Email sales@thermeoneurope.com
>>
>>
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[uml-devel] Re: poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[Jeff Dike]

for_spam@gmx.de said:
> btw: should we file a bug-report at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/
> ?group_id=429&atid=100429 or shouldn`t that bugtracker not being used
> anymore - in general ? if not, IMHO that bugtracker should be marked
> "obsolete"(like the SF cvs repository)

You shouldn't.  I don't pay any attention to it.  However, I don't see any
way of disabling it.

> i would like to give an example for a really nice "bug page": http://
> rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml
>
> that page is created by a script, which extracts the information from
> SF and puts it into a  nicely formatted page: http://
> cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/rockbox/www/getbugs.pl
>
> why not using it, too ? 

As you mentioned, I track bugs via the lists.  I have a todo folder into which
I link any messages which require some sort of action, mostly bug reports.

This does have the disadvantage that it is very opaque to everyone but me.
It has the advantage of having been screened, and of being easy to mark things
as requiring my attention at some point.

It does have other disadvantages, such as not being able to prioritize or
categorize things.

I would use a bug reporting system if
	it was screened so that the only open problems in it are real problems
	someone else maintained it, and did so consistently
	other people watch the lists, and add bugs that are reported there,
as well as updating the bugs with stuff like workarounds and patches

				Jeff


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[uml-devel] Re: poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[roland]

jeff, 

> As you mentioned, I track bugs via the lists.  I have a todo folder into which
> I link any messages which require some sort of action, mostly bug reports.
> This does have the disadvantage that it is very opaque to everyone but me.
> It has the advantage of having been screened, and of being easy to mark things
> as requiring my attention at some point.

>Sometimes I wish I were less the boss.  There is absolutely nothing 
>preventing anyone from repackaging, porting, etc patches, and I wish people
>were doing more of it.
>That would make UML more useful for more people on more systems, and would
>lessen my workload some.

that is a little bit contradictory, IMHO.

on the one hand, you are the sole person to have the "complete view" to bugs and patches - all
others have to dig into the mailinglists (and see nothing but mails - especially newbies) - and 
there is much "noise" there :)
on the other hand, you wish, that you were less the boss.
i think it would be a benefit, if there was a way, that your "todo folder" would be more public. 

> I would use a bug reporting system if
> it was screened so that the only open problems in it are real problems
> someone else maintained it, and did so consistently

i don`t know, if i`m the right person for such job - but maybe it can be done by 2 or more persons?
i offer my help here! 
are there other candidates ?

regards
roland



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Dike" <jdike@addtoit.com>
To: "roland" <for_spam@gmx.de>
Cc: "Mark Olliver" <mpo@thermeoneurope.com>; <user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; <blaisorblade_spam@yahoo.it>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem 


> for_spam@gmx.de said:
> > btw: should we file a bug-report at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/
> > ?group_id=429&atid=100429 or shouldn`t that bugtracker not being used
> > anymore - in general ? if not, IMHO that bugtracker should be marked
> > "obsolete"(like the SF cvs repository)
> 
> You shouldn't.  I don't pay any attention to it.  However, I don't see any
> way of disabling it.
> 
> > i would like to give an example for a really nice "bug page": http://
> > rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml
> >
> > that page is created by a script, which extracts the information from
> > SF and puts it into a  nicely formatted page: http://
> > cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/rockbox/www/getbugs.pl
> >
> > why not using it, too ? 
> 
> As you mentioned, I track bugs via the lists.  I have a todo folder into which
> I link any messages which require some sort of action, mostly bug reports.
> 
> This does have the disadvantage that it is very opaque to everyone but me.
> It has the advantage of having been screened, and of being easy to mark things
> as requiring my attention at some point.
> 
> It does have other disadvantages, such as not being able to prioritize or
> categorize things.
> 
> I would use a bug reporting system if
> it was screened so that the only open problems in it are real problems
> someone else maintained it, and did so consistently
> other people watch the lists, and add bugs that are reported there,
> as well as updating the bugs with stuff like workarounds and patches
> 
> Jeff
> 


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Re: [uml-devel] Re: poll: uml bug management - was: Re: [uml-user] 2.6.6 Kernel mconsole & mem

[Henrik Nordstrom]

On Wed, 19 May 2004, Jeff Dike wrote:

> for_spam@gmx.de said:
> > btw: should we file a bug-report at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/
> > ?group_id=429&atid=100429 or shouldn`t that bugtracker not being used
> > anymore - in general ? if not, IMHO that bugtracker should be marked
> > "obsolete"(like the SF cvs repository)
> 
> You shouldn't.  I don't pay any attention to it.  However, I don't see any
> way of disabling it.

Hmm.. trying to remember..

If you go to the Tracker admin function there is instructions on how to 
disable the SF trackers (Support, Bugs etc...)

> This does have the disadvantage that it is very opaque to everyone but me.
> It has the advantage of having been screened, and of being easy to mark things
> as requiring my attention at some point.

I am currently looking for a usable bug tracker which works with email and
web, fulfilling a rather strict set of criterias on useability and 
ease of management..  will keep you informed if I find one fulfilling my 
criterias.

> It does have other disadvantages, such as not being able to prioritize or
> categorize things.

And also not the best feedback to the users on the status of the bug
reports..

> I would use a bug reporting system if
> 	it was screened so that the only open problems in it are real problems
> 	someone else maintained it, and did so consistently
> 	other people watch the lists, and add bugs that are reported there,
> as well as updating the bugs with stuff like workarounds and patches

All these included in my list as well.. plus a lot more..

Regards
Henrik



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