From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs fixes for 6.15-rc4
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 20:32:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <114E260B-7AC4-4F5D-BBC4-60036CC7188F@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgwuu5Yp0Y-t_U6MoeKmDbJ-Y+0e+MoQi7pkGw2Eu9BzQ@mail.gmail.com>
On April 30, 2025 8:12:20 PM PDT, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 19:48, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is worth noting that Microsoft has basically declared their
>> "recommended" case folding (upcase) table to be permanently frozen (for
>> new filesystem instances in the case where they use an on-disk
>> translation table created at format time.) As far as I know they have
>> never supported anything other than 1:1 conversion of BMP code points,
>> nor normalization.
>
>So no crazy 'ß' matches 'ss' kind of thing? (And yes, afaik that's
>technically wrong even in German, but afaik at least sorts the same in
>some locales).
>
>Because yes, if MS basically does a 1:1 unicode translation with a
>fixed table, that is not only "simpler", I think it's what we should
>strive for.
>
>Because I think the *only* valid reason for case insensitive
>filesystems is "backwards compatibility", and given that, it's
>_particularly_ stupid to then do anything more complicated and broken
>than the thing you're trying to be compatible with.
>
>I hope to everything holy that nobody ever wants to be compatible with
>the absolute garbage that is the OSX HFS model.
>
>Because the whole "let's actively corrupt names into something that is
>almost, but not exactly, NFD" stuff is just some next-level evil
>stuff.
>
> Linus
>
I suspect the NFD bit in HFS comes from the use of decomposed characters in the 8-bit character systems of MacOS Classic.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-01 3:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-25 2:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs fixes for 6.15-rc4 Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-25 4:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 5:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-25 19:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-04-25 20:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 0:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 1:30 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28 1:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 2:05 ` Autumn Ashton
2025-04-28 2:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 2:56 ` Autumn Ashton
2025-04-28 2:22 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28 2:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 2:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 3:22 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 3:01 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 3:13 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28 3:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 2:15 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28 2:33 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28 2:49 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28 3:29 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 19:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-01 2:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-05-01 3:11 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-05-01 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-05-01 3:32 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-05-01 4:55 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-05-01 4:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26 1:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26 2:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 3:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26 3:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 3:09 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26 3:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 3:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26 4:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 4:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26 5:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 5:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-29 15:36 ` Patrick Donnelly
2025-04-29 16:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-29 16:48 ` Patrick Donnelly
2025-04-25 18:01 ` pr-tracker-bot
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