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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs fixes for 6.15-rc4
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 20:32:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <114E260B-7AC4-4F5D-BBC4-60036CC7188F@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgwuu5Yp0Y-t_U6MoeKmDbJ-Y+0e+MoQi7pkGw2Eu9BzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On April 30, 2025 8:12:20 PM PDT, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 19:48, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is worth noting that Microsoft has basically declared their
>> "recommended" case folding (upcase) table to be permanently frozen (for
>> new filesystem instances in the case where they use an on-disk
>> translation table created at format time.)  As far as I know they have
>> never supported anything other than 1:1 conversion of BMP code points,
>> nor normalization.
>
>So no crazy 'ß' matches 'ss' kind of thing? (And yes, afaik that's
>technically wrong even in German, but afaik at least sorts the same in
>some locales).
>
>Because yes, if MS basically does a 1:1 unicode translation with a
>fixed table, that is not only "simpler", I think it's what we should
>strive for.
>
>Because I think the *only* valid reason for case insensitive
>filesystems is "backwards compatibility", and given that, it's
>_particularly_ stupid to then do anything more complicated and broken
>than the thing you're trying to be compatible with.
>
>I hope to everything holy that nobody ever wants to be compatible with
>the absolute garbage that is the OSX HFS model.
>
>Because the whole "let's actively corrupt names into something that is
>almost, but not exactly, NFD" stuff is just some next-level evil
>stuff.
>
>            Linus
>

I suspect the NFD bit in HFS comes from the use of decomposed characters in the 8-bit character systems of MacOS Classic.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-01  3:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-25  2:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs fixes for 6.15-rc4 Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25  4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-25  4:51   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25  5:23     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 16:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-25 19:40       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-04-25 20:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28  0:55         ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  1:30           ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28  1:43             ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  2:05               ` Autumn Ashton
2025-04-28  2:16                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  2:56                   ` Autumn Ashton
2025-04-28  2:22                 ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28  2:34                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  2:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28  3:22                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  2:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28  3:01                     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  3:13                       ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28  3:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28  2:15               ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28  2:33                 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-28  2:49                   ` Eric Biggers
2025-04-28  3:29                     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-25 19:59       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-01  2:48         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-05-01  3:11           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-05-01  3:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-05-01  3:32             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-05-01  4:55               ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-05-01  4:51             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26  1:38       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26  2:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26  3:00           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26  3:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26  3:09               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26  3:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26  3:59                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26  4:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26  4:49                       ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-26  5:01                         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26  5:18                           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-29 15:36                   ` Patrick Donnelly
2025-04-29 16:21                     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-04-29 16:48                       ` Patrick Donnelly
2025-04-25 18:01 ` pr-tracker-bot

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