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From: Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"jens.axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:20:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1261171211.1947.135.camel@serenity> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091218194129.GB6153@elte.hu>


On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 20:41 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Also, I don't think this needs to have a sysctl, it should just work.
> > 
> > The sysctl is a *good thing* in that it allows the eager writeback behavior 
> > to be tuned and shut off if need be.  I can only test the changes on a 
> > finite set of systems, so better safe than sorry.
> 
> This issue has been settled many years ago and that's not what we do in the 
> Linux kernel. We prefer patches to core code where we are reasonably sure they 
> result in good behavior - and then we fix bugs in the new behavior, if any. 
> 
> (Otherwise odd sysctls would mushroom quickly and the system would become 
> untestable in practice.)
> 
> 	Ingo

I don't disagree, but "that's not what we do" hardly provides insight
into making the judgment call.  In this case, the variety of
combinations of NFS server speed, NFS client speed, transmission link
speed, client memory size, and server memory size argues for a tunable
parameter, because one value probably won't work well in all
combinations.  Making it change dynamically based on these parameters is
more complicated than these circumstances call for, IMHO.

Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-18 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17  2:03 [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Steve Rago
2009-12-17  8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-18 19:33   ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 21:20       ` Steve Rago [this message]
2009-12-18 22:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 22:46           ` Steve Rago
2009-12-19  8:08         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-19 13:37           ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-19 12:20   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-19 14:25     ` Steve Rago
2009-12-22  1:59       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 12:35         ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23  8:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-23 13:32             ` Jan Kara
2009-12-24  5:25               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24  1:26           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 13:01         ` Martin Knoblauch
2009-12-24  1:46           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24  1:21           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25  7:37               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 19:12             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  2:52               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25  5:56                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31  5:04                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06  3:03                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56                             ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09                                           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:25       ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-22 12:55           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 16:20         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 18:39           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 20:16             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 21:49               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 23:13                 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 23:44                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  4:30                     ` Steve Rago

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