From: Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"jens.axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:13:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1261610013.13028.151.camel@serenity> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1261604952.18047.7.camel@localhost>
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 22:49 +0100, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > When to send the commit is a complex question to answer. If you delay
> > it long enough, the server's flusher threads will have already done most
> > of the work for you, so commits can be cheap, but you don't have access
> > to the necessary information to figure this out. You can't delay it too
> > long, though, because the unstable pages on the client will grow too
> > large, creating memory pressure. I have a second patch, which I haven't
> > posted yet, that adds feedback piggy-backed on the NFS write response,
> > which allows the NFS client to free pages proactively. This greatly
> > reduces the need to send commit messages, but it extends the protocol
> > (in a backward-compatible manner), so it could be hard to convince
> > people to accept.
>
> There are only 2 cases when the client should send a COMMIT:
> 1. When it hits a synchronisation point (i.e. when the user calls
> f/sync(), or close(), or when the user sets/clears a file
> lock).
> 2. When memory pressure causes the VM to wants to free up those
> pages that are marked as clean but unstable.
>
> We should never be sending COMMIT in any other situation, since that
> would imply that the client somehow has better information on how to
> manage dirty pages on the server than the server's own VM.
>
> Cheers
> Trond
#2 is the difficult one. If you wait for memory pressure, you could
have waited too long, because depending on the latency of the commit,
you could run into low-memory situations. Then mayhem ensues, the
oom-killer gets cranky (if you haven't disabled it), and stuff starts
failing and/or hanging. So you need to be careful about setting the
threshold for generating a commit so that the client doesn't run out of
memory before the server can respond.
Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-23 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-17 2:03 [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Steve Rago
2009-12-17 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-18 19:33 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 21:20 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 22:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 22:46 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-19 8:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-19 13:37 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-19 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-19 14:25 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-22 1:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 12:35 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 8:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-23 13:32 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-24 5:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 1:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 13:01 ` Martin Knoblauch
2009-12-24 1:46 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24 1:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25 7:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 19:12 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24 2:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25 5:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31 5:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 3:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:25 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-22 12:55 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 16:20 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 18:39 ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 20:16 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 21:49 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 23:13 ` Steve Rago [this message]
2009-12-23 23:44 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24 4:30 ` Steve Rago
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