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From: Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"jens.axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:13:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1261610013.13028.151.camel@serenity> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1261604952.18047.7.camel@localhost>


On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 22:49 +0100, Trond Myklebust wrote:

> > When to send the commit is a complex question to answer.  If you delay
> > it long enough, the server's flusher threads will have already done most
> > of the work for you, so commits can be cheap, but you don't have access
> > to the necessary information to figure this out.  You can't delay it too
> > long, though, because the unstable pages on the client will grow too
> > large, creating memory pressure.  I have a second patch, which I haven't
> > posted yet, that adds feedback piggy-backed on the NFS write response,
> > which allows the NFS client to free pages proactively.  This greatly
> > reduces the need to send commit messages, but it extends the protocol
> > (in a backward-compatible manner), so it could be hard to convince
> > people to accept.
> 
> There are only 2 cases when the client should send a COMMIT: 
>      1. When it hits a synchronisation point (i.e. when the user calls
>         f/sync(), or close(), or when the user sets/clears a file
>         lock). 
>      2. When memory pressure causes the VM to wants to free up those
>         pages that are marked as clean but unstable.
> 
> We should never be sending COMMIT in any other situation, since that
> would imply that the client somehow has better information on how to
> manage dirty pages on the server than the server's own VM.
> 
> Cheers
>   Trond

#2 is the difficult one.  If you wait for memory pressure, you could
have waited too long, because depending on the latency of the commit,
you could run into low-memory situations.  Then mayhem ensues, the
oom-killer gets cranky (if you haven't disabled it), and stuff starts
failing and/or hanging.  So you need to be careful about setting the
threshold for generating a commit so that the client doesn't run out of
memory before the server can respond.

Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-23 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17  2:03 [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Steve Rago
2009-12-17  8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-18 19:33   ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 21:20       ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 22:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 22:46           ` Steve Rago
2009-12-19  8:08         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-19 13:37           ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-19 12:20   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-19 14:25     ` Steve Rago
2009-12-22  1:59       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 12:35         ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23  8:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-23 13:32             ` Jan Kara
2009-12-24  5:25               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24  1:26           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 13:01         ` Martin Knoblauch
2009-12-24  1:46           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24  1:21           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25  7:37               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 19:12             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  2:52               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25  5:56                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31  5:04                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06  3:03                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56                             ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09                                           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:25       ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-22 12:55           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 16:20         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 18:39           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 20:16             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 21:49               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 23:13                 ` Steve Rago [this message]
2009-12-23 23:44                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  4:30                     ` Steve Rago

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