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From: Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"jens.axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:37:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1261229855.1947.155.camel@serenity> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091219090824.1bc4a1c8@infradead.org>


On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 09:08 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:20:11 -0500
> Steve Rago <sar@nec-labs.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I don't disagree, but "that's not what we do" hardly provides insight
> > into making the judgment call.  In this case, the variety of
> > combinations of NFS server speed, NFS client speed, transmission link
> > speed, client memory size, and server memory size argues for a tunable
> > parameter, because one value probably won't work well in all
> > combinations.  Making it change dynamically based on these parameters
> > is more complicated than these circumstances call for, IMHO.
> 
> 
> if you as the expert do not know how to tune this... how is a sysadmin
> supposed to know better?
> 

I did not say I didn't know how to tune it.  I said you put the tunable
parameter in as a compromise to doing something far more complex.  You
then adjust the value according to various workloads (in this case,
iozone or something that more closely resembles your application).  The
same way I figure out how man NFSD processes to configure; the same way
I figure out acceptable values for dirty_ratio and
dirty_background_ratio.  The code has a reasonably conservative default,
and people can adjust it if their circumstances differ such that the
default doesn't provide acceptable results.

Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-19 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17  2:03 [PATCH] improve the performance of large sequential write NFS workloads Steve Rago
2009-12-17  8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-18 19:33   ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 19:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 21:20       ` Steve Rago
2009-12-18 22:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 22:46           ` Steve Rago
2009-12-19  8:08         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-19 13:37           ` Steve Rago [this message]
2009-12-18 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-19 12:20   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-19 14:25     ` Steve Rago
2009-12-22  1:59       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 12:35         ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23  8:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-23 13:32             ` Jan Kara
2009-12-24  5:25               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24  1:26           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 13:01         ` Martin Knoblauch
2009-12-24  1:46           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-22 16:41         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-24  1:21           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 14:49             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-25  7:37               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-23 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 18:05           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 19:12             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  2:52               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-24 12:04                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-25  5:56                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-30 16:22                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-31  5:04                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-12-31 19:13                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06  3:03                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-01-06 16:56                             ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:26                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 18:37                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 18:52                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 19:21                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 19:53                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-01-06 20:09                                           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:25       ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 12:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-22 12:55           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-22 16:20         ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 18:39           ` Jan Kara
2009-12-23 20:16             ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 21:49               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-23 23:13                 ` Steve Rago
2009-12-23 23:44                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-12-24  4:30                     ` Steve Rago

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