From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] time: Add locking to xtime access in get_seconds()
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 11:51:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1304621476.20980.2.camel@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110505081432.GD2641@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 01:14 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 11:21:35PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 07:44 +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 04 mai 2011 à 19:54 -0700, john stultz a écrit :
> > > > On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 20:52 -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > > > John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So get_seconds() has always been lock free, with the assumption
> > > > > > that accessing a long will be atomic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, recently I came across an odd bug where time() access could
> > > > > > occasionally be inconsistent, but only on power7 hardware. The
> > > > >
> > > > > Shouldn't a single rmb() be enough to avoid that?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not then I suspect there's a lot more code buggy on that CPU than
> > > > > just the time.
> > > >
> > > > So interestingly, I've found that the issue was not as complex as I
> > > > first assumed. While the rmb() is probably a good idea for
> > > > get_seconds(), but it alone does not solve the issue I was seeing,
> > > > making it clear my theory wasn't correct.
> > > >
> > > > The problem was reported against the 2.6.32-stable kernel, and had not
> > > > been seen in later kernels. I had assumed the change to logarithmic time
> > > > accumulation basically reduced the window for for the issue to be seen,
> > > > but it would likely still show up eventually.
> > > >
> > > > When the rmb() alone did not solve this issue, I looked to see why the
> > > > locking did resolve it, and then it was clear: The old
> > > > update_xtime_cache() function doesn't set the xtime_cache values
> > > > atomically.
> > > >
> > > > Now, the xtime_cache writing is done under the xtime_lock, so the
> > > > get_seconds() locking resolves the issue, but isn't appropriate since
> > > > get_seconds() is called from machine check handlers.
> > > >
> > > > So the fix here for the 2.6.32-stable tree is to just update xtime_cache
> > > > in one go as done with the following patch.
> > > >
> > > > I also added the rmb() for good measure, and the rmb() should probably
> > > > also go upstream since theoretically there maybe a platform that could
> > > > do out of order syscalls.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect the reason this hasn't been triggered on x86 or power6 is due
> > > > to compiler or processor optimizations reordering the assignment to in
> > > > effect make it atomic. Or maybe the timing window to see the issue is
> > > > harder to observe?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
> > > >
> > > > Index: linux-2.6.32.y/kernel/time/timekeeping.c
> > > > ===================================================================
> > > > --- linux-2.6.32.y.orig/kernel/time/timekeeping.c 2011-05-04 19:34:21.604314152 -0700
> > > > +++ linux-2.6.32.y/kernel/time/timekeeping.c 2011-05-04 19:39:09.972203989 -0700
> > > > @@ -168,8 +168,10 @@ int __read_mostly timekeeping_suspended;
> > > > static struct timespec xtime_cache __attribute__ ((aligned (16)));
> > > > void update_xtime_cache(u64 nsec)
> > > > {
> > > > - xtime_cache = xtime;
> > > > - timespec_add_ns(&xtime_cache, nsec);
> > > > + /* use temporary timespec so xtime_cache is updated atomically */
> > >
> > > Atomically is not possible on 32bit platform, so this comment is
> > > misleading.
> >
> > Well, 32bit/64bit, the time_t .tv_sec portion is a long, so it should be
> > written atomically.
> >
> > > What about a comment saying :
> > > /*
> > > * use temporary variable so get_seconds() cannot catch
> > > * intermediate value (one second backward)
> > > */
> >
> > Fair enough. Such a comment is an improvement.
> >
> > > > + struct timespec ts = xtime;
> > > > + timespec_add_ns(&ts, nsec);
> > > > + xtime_cache = ts;
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > /* must hold xtime_lock */
> > > > @@ -859,6 +861,7 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(monotonic_to_bootbased
> > > >
> > > > unsigned long get_seconds(void)
> > > > {
> > > > + rmb();
> > >
> > > Please dont, this makes no sense, and with no comment anyway.
> >
> > Would a comment to the effect of "ensure processors don't re-order calls
> > to get_seconds" help, or is it still too opaque (or even still
> > nonsense?).
>
> A CPU that reordered syscalls reading from or writing to a given memory
> location is broken. At least if the CPU does such reordering in a way
> that lets the software detect it. There is quite a bit of code out there
> that assumes cache coherence, so I sure hope that CPUs don't require
> the above memory barrier...
Much appreciated. I'll drop it then.
thanks
-john
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-05 18:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-04 3:11 [PATCH] time: Add locking to xtime access in get_seconds() John Stultz
2011-05-04 3:52 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-05 2:54 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 5:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 6:21 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 6:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 8:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-05 18:51 ` john stultz [this message]
2011-05-05 14:04 ` [RFC] time: xtime_lock is held too long Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 14:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-05 15:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 15:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-05 21:01 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 1:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 6:55 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 10:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-06 10:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-06 16:53 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-07 8:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-06 16:59 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 17:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 17:17 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 17:42 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 17:50 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 19:26 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 20:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 20:24 ` john stultz
2011-05-06 22:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 22:46 ` john stultz
2011-05-06 23:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 23:28 ` john stultz
2011-05-07 5:02 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-07 7:11 ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-05-09 8:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-12 9:13 ` [PATCH] seqlock: don't smp_rmb in seqlock reader spin loop, [PATCH] seqlock: don't smp_rmb in seqlock reader spin loop Milton Miller
2011-05-12 9:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:08 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 20:18 ` [RFC] time: xtime_lock is held too long john stultz
2011-05-05 17:57 ` [PATCH] time: Add locking to xtime access in get_seconds() Andi Kleen
2011-05-05 20:17 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 20:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 20:40 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 20:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 20:56 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-04 16:51 ` Max Asbock
2011-05-04 21:05 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-04 23:05 ` john stultz
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