From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC] time: xtime_lock is held too long
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:39:02 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1105051630390.3005@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1304604284.3032.78.camel@edumazet-laptop>
On Thu, 5 May 2011, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> I feel xtime_lock seqlock is abused these days.
>
> seqlock abstraction is somewhat lazy/dangerous because write_sequnlock()
> does both the seqcount increment and spinlock release.
>
> I am concerned by fact that readers might wait for long times, because
> writers hold the whole seqlock, while sometime they only want to guard
> other writers to come in.
>
> Maybe it's time to separate the things (the seqcount and the spinlock)
> so that writer can manipulate data in different sections :
> - Sections while holding spinlock, allowing "readers" to run
> - Very small sections enclosed in a pair of seqcount increments, to
> synchronize with readers.
Well, in the case of timekeeping that might be problematic. I'm not
sure whether we can calculate the new values under the spinlock and
then update the timekeeper under the seqlock because we might adjust
the mult/shift pair which then can result in observabcle time going
backwards problems. It might be worth a try, though. John ???
The only thing which really can move right away outside the xtime
seqlock region is calc_global_load().
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-05 14:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-04 3:11 [PATCH] time: Add locking to xtime access in get_seconds() John Stultz
2011-05-04 3:52 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-05 2:54 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 5:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 6:21 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 6:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 8:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-05 18:51 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 14:04 ` [RFC] time: xtime_lock is held too long Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 14:39 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2011-05-05 15:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 15:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-05 21:01 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 1:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 6:55 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 10:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-06 10:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-06 16:53 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-07 8:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-06 16:59 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 17:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 17:17 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 17:42 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 17:50 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 19:26 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 20:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 20:24 ` john stultz
2011-05-06 22:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 22:46 ` john stultz
2011-05-06 23:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-06 23:28 ` john stultz
2011-05-07 5:02 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-07 7:11 ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-05-09 8:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-12 9:13 ` [PATCH] seqlock: don't smp_rmb in seqlock reader spin loop, [PATCH] seqlock: don't smp_rmb in seqlock reader spin loop Milton Miller
2011-05-12 9:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:08 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-06 20:18 ` [RFC] time: xtime_lock is held too long john stultz
2011-05-05 17:57 ` [PATCH] time: Add locking to xtime access in get_seconds() Andi Kleen
2011-05-05 20:17 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 20:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 20:40 ` john stultz
2011-05-05 20:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-05 20:56 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-04 16:51 ` Max Asbock
2011-05-04 21:05 ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-04 23:05 ` john stultz
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