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From: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: meissner@spectacle-pond.org (Michael Meissner)
Cc: ookhoi@dds.nl (Ookhoi),
	meissner@spectacle-pond.org (Michael Meissner),
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The advantage of modules?
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:50:55 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200101082150.f08Lots13085@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010108140521.C11682@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> from "Michael Meissner" at Jan 08, 2001 02:05:21 PM

Michael Meissner writes:
> Quoting from drivers/scsi/scsi.c:
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * Usage: echo "scsi add-single-device 0 1 2 3" >/proc/scsi/scsi
> 	 * with  "0 1 2 3" replaced by your "Host Channel Id Lun".
> 	 * Consider this feature BETA.
> 	 *     CAUTION: This is not for hotplugging your peripherals. As
> 	 *     SCSI was not designed for this you could damage your
> 	 *     hardware !
> 	 * However perhaps it is legal to switch on an
> 	 * already connected device. It is perhaps not
> 	 * guaranteed this device doesn't corrupt an ongoing data transfer.
> 	 */
> 
> so my take is unless you explicitly use hotplug devices (I wasn't), that
> it is much safer to unload the driver, unattach/attach scsi devices, and
> then reload the driver (which will scan the scsi bus for devices), which
> you need modules for.

I don't believe that is what it's trying to say.  There have been instances
in the past where unplugging a SCSI device from a powered on SCSI bus can
result in blown terminator power fuses and the like.  Whether this still
applies today, I don't know (are active terminators better or worse than
passive when it comes to this type of thing?)  However, what I do know is
the following, and I learnt it the hard way:

  I once had a machine and other stuff on a 4-way mains connector block
  that has been used for many years.  Unknown to me, the earth wire
  had become intermittent.  I was just about to connect another peripheral
  which was directly connected to the wall socket to this computer, and
  I happened to touch the connector body on both the peripheral and the
  computer.  I now know what a shock of >120V feels like.

Now, imagine what would happen if you connect a SCSI device, where this
condition exists, and the first thing that makes contact is the SCSI
databus.  Say goodbye to most, if not all devices on that SCSI bus.
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-08 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-06  4:50 The advantage of modules? Evan Thompson
2001-01-06  5:31 ` Drew Bertola
2001-01-06 10:02   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-08 16:49     ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-08 16:47 ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-08 18:26   ` Ookhoi
2001-01-08 19:05     ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-08 21:50       ` Russell King [this message]
2001-01-08 22:16         ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-08 22:14           ` Russell King
2001-01-08 22:40             ` Dan Hollis
2001-01-08 23:06               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-08 23:49                 ` Alan Cox

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