Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer

Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer

[hotjobs]

CA-Staff/Senior Engineer: Linux TCP/IP Stack Development

SecureAll Inc., headquartered in the Silicon Valley, California, is a 
well-funded start-up in the Enterprise Information Security domain. 
It is well recognized that enterprises are on the average 6 months 
behind on applying security patches. During this period, despite 
employing firewalls and intrusion detection systems, enterprises 
are vulnerable to exploits leveraging the un-patched weaknesses. 
It is also acknowledged that patch management is an imperfect science
and does not take away the risk of applying patches without adequate 
testing. SecureAll offers a solution that is truly radical and solves
the above problems in an elegant fashion. The foundation of the company
is based on a patented breakthrough technology that takes network-based
enterprise security to the next level. 

We are currently looking to fill one full-time regular positions in our 
San Jose, CA facility  requiring extensive experience with TCP/IP 
protocol stack development.  
	
	
Staff/Senior-Engineer: TCP/IP Protocol Stack Development 

* 5-10 years of experience in the design, implementation, and 
  ongoing development of TCP/IP protocol stack. At least 1 year 
  recent development experience with Linux TCP/IP protocol stack.
* Extensive Kernel Software development and debugging experience 
  preferably in Linux environment.
* Good Understanding of memory management, SMP, clustering issues is a
  plus.
* Experience with the hardening of kernel and various protocol stacks 
  for security is a plus.
* Experience with design and architecture of mid- to large-sized 
  software projects.


To Apply for this job, please send a word/text resume to 
hotjobs@secureallinc.com with the position title in the subject line.

Re: Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer

[David S. Miller]

By spamming job opennings to our kernel development lists where such
things are not considered allowed, you fucknuts are basically
guarenteeing that no kernel programmer with a brain is going to
respect your company enough to apply for these jobs.

Please stop posting this crap now.

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Stephen Satchell]

At 10:58 AM 10/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>By spamming job opennings to our kernel development lists where such
>things are not considered allowed, you fucknuts are basically
>guarenteeing that no kernel programmer with a brain is going to
>respect your company enough to apply for these jobs.
>
>Please stop posting this crap now.

Are you speaking for yourself, or for Red Hat as well?

Just for grins, I took a look at http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/ to 
see what your company was offering for work.  Hey, no TCP/IP Stack 
programming jobs there.  In fact, very little in the way of work for 
back-room types at all in the United States, nothing west of the Rockies, 
and only Australia seems to have anything when you get outside of the CONUS.

There are some people desperate enough to receive money for their efforts 
that such job announcements may well be welcome, at least as long as they 
are real positions. Obviously you are not that hungry.  I'm working right 
now in a system admin position, changing the oil and wiping the windshield 
of 200 Red Hat Linux servers, in a position that does not allow for any 
kernel development at all.  What makes you believe that all 30,000+ readers 
of LKML would not welcome short, tasteful, single-shot announcements of 
such development positions?  Particularly if the announcement was for work 
within moving distance of where a reader lives?

(I suspect the poor guy was inundated with resumes, good taste or 
no.  That's what seems to happen when a company makes any kind of public 
announcement for work in California or Nevada.  Sometimes principles give 
way to other necessities.)

As an aside, I'm not happy with the few Linux-specific job boards that are 
out there.  Has Red Hat considered hosting one that works, and advertising 
its existence?


-- 
"Fragmentation is like classful addressing -- an interesting early 
architectural error that shows how much experimentation was going on while 
IP was being designed."   -- Paul Vixie  

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[David S. Miller]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:25:08 -0700
Stephen Satchell <list@fluent2.pyramid.net> wrote:

> At 10:58 AM 10/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >By spamming job opennings to our kernel development lists where such
> >things are not considered allowed, you fucknuts are basically
> >guarenteeing that no kernel programmer with a brain is going to
> >respect your company enough to apply for these jobs.
> >
> >Please stop posting this crap now.
> 
> Are you speaking for yourself, or for Red Hat as well?

I'm speaking as the vger.kernel.org list maintainer.

Posting job offerings here has always been and will always be verboten
here on these lists.  And in particular technical people who join this
list get a very bad taste in their mouth when someone advertises here
be it for jobs or products.

If there is no good place to look for Linux kernel development jobs,
that isn't my problem.  What is my problem is to enforce the rules
of these lists at vger.kernel.org.

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[jdow]

From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>

> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:25:08 -0700
> Stephen Satchell <list@fluent2.pyramid.net> wrote:
> 
> > At 10:58 AM 10/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > 
> > >By spamming job opennings to our kernel development lists where such
> > >things are not considered allowed, you fucknuts are basically
> > >guarenteeing that no kernel programmer with a brain is going to
> > >respect your company enough to apply for these jobs.
> > >
> > >Please stop posting this crap now.
> > 
> > Are you speaking for yourself, or for Red Hat as well?
> 
> I'm speaking as the vger.kernel.org list maintainer.
> 
> Posting job offerings here has always been and will always be verboten
> here on these lists.  And in particular technical people who join this
> list get a very bad taste in their mouth when someone advertises here
> be it for jobs or products.
> 
> If there is no good place to look for Linux kernel development jobs,
> that isn't my problem.  What is my problem is to enforce the rules
> of these lists at vger.kernel.org.

What you say and what Stephen says are both significant truths. I
wonder if Steve asked the wrong question. Might it be possible to
generate a specific "kernel jobs list" on vger and police it for
extrania as thoroughly as this list gets policed? Given the job
climate of late that might be a nice service to the community.

{^_^}   Joanne

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[David S. Miller]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:12:15 -0700
"jdow" <jdow@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
>
> Might it be possible to
> generate a specific "kernel jobs list" on vger and police it for
> extrania as thoroughly as this list gets policed? Given the job
> climate of late that might be a nice service to the community.

I don't want to run such a list, it's really asking for trouble.

Only technical lists here, thanks.

And let's end this thread now please, thanks.

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Willy TARREAU]

Hello !

On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 01:25:08PM -0700, Stephen Satchell wrote:
 
> What makes you believe that all 30,000+ readers of LKML would not welcome
> short, tasteful, single-shot announcements of such development positions?
> Particularly if the announcement was for work within moving distance of
> where a reader lives?

I'm certain you're right at this point, ie there may be *some* people here
interested by an occasional advertisement, while most others see these mails
as other junk that sometimes filter through David's filters.

The problem is that advertising for job offering costs *a lot* to companies,
particularly when high level profiles are needed (can be up several months of
the employee's fee). Considering this, if nobody does the unpleasant police
work here, more and more companies will attempt their chance to catch someone
for free here, being unfair to other regular ones, and annoying all of us
several times a day. And I'm not counting all the companies which send fake
offerings just to get some free ads for their products (we've already seen 
some here).

So the only way to prevent this from happening, is to forbid them to do it,
even if some people may miss one good opportunity. There are sites for this,
even newsgroups, so it clearly doesn't have its place here. I'm sure David
also has a lot of other reasons for this, but I sincerely think that the ones
I exposed here are already good justifications by themselves

Regards,
Willy

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Stephen Satchell]

At 11:29 PM 10/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>So the only way to prevent this from happening, is to forbid them to do it,
>even if some people may miss one good opportunity. There are sites for this,
>even newsgroups, so it clearly doesn't have its place here. I'm sure David
>also has a lot of other reasons for this, but I sincerely think that the ones
>I exposed here are already good justifications by themselves

Willy, I agree with almost every word.  I remember what happened to UseNet 
and some of the early mailing lists when they became over-run with 
commercial and self-serving messages (did someone say "kibo"?) and I don't 
envy David his job.

Bald prohibitions are easy and nasty.  Prohibitions with a steer in the 
right direction are just as easy, and comes across as more of a service to 
everyone.  How much better it would have been for David to have 
said  something with a positive twist:  "Don't do it here, do it at 
linux-jobs@vger.kernel.org" or some such.  (Assuming such a list exists -- 
and if there isn't such a list is it time to start one?)

As for sites and newsgroups, though, I have to take exception to your 
observation.  I have yet to find one that attracts both potential employers 
and potential employees and keeps its listings current.  The closest I have 
found to an active job list for Linux is Craig's List; sites such as 
www.hotlinuxjobs.com are not very up-to-date in the offerings -- every time 
I had tried to follow up on a listing from October 2002 to April 2003  I 
was told "that job's already filled."  The general-purpose jobs sites (Hot 
Jobs, Dice, America's Job Bank, and others) have some Linux jobs but 
usually as part of a package of jobs, not in isolation.

I'd appreciate specifics on good sites for Linux people, both from the 
perspective of an employer and a job seeker.

Satch



-- 
"People who seem to have had a new idea have often just stopped having an 
old idea." -- Dr. Edwin H. Land  

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Mark Mielke]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:16:52PM -0700, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> Bald prohibitions are easy and nasty.  Prohibitions with a steer in the 
> right direction are just as easy, and comes across as more of a service to 
> everyone.  How much better it would have been for David to have 
> said  something with a positive twist:  "Don't do it here, do it at 
> linux-jobs@vger.kernel.org" or some such.  (Assuming such a list exists -- 
> and if there isn't such a list is it time to start one?)

David has already made it clear that he doesn't care to manage such a list.

Why don't you go start one, if you can see so much value to it? From the
sounds of it, people would appreciate such an effort, on your part.

Please - not on any of these lists. Not for seeking employees, nor for
seeking volunteers to create mailing lists of your preference. There
are plenty of other forums available.

Thanks,
mark

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Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Jamie Lokier]

Stephen Satchell wrote:
> Bald prohibitions are easy and nasty.  Prohibitions with a steer in the 
> right direction are just as easy, and comes across as more of a service to 
> everyone.  How much better it would have been for David to have 
> said  something with a positive twist:  "Don't do it here, do it at 
> linux-jobs@vger.kernel.org" or some such.  (Assuming such a list exists -- 
> and if there isn't such a list is it time to start one?)

*Please* read the linux-kernel FAQ before posting again.  There *is* a
jobs list.


21. Can I post job offers/requests to the list?

    (REG) Of course not!  This is a technical development list, not a job
    exchange.  If you want to join a job exchange list, send

        subscribe linuxjobs

    in the body of the message to <majordomo@eax.com> by executing
    the following command:

        echo "subscribe linuxjobs" | mail majordomo@eax.com

    To send messages, email to <linuxjobs@eax.com>.


Thank you,
-- Jamie

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Stephen Satchell]

At 12:03 PM 10/12/2003 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
>*Please* read the linux-kernel FAQ before posting again.  There *is* a
>jobs list.
>
>
>21. Can I post job offers/requests to the list?
>
>     (REG) Of course not!  This is a technical development list, not a job
>     exchange.  If you want to join a job exchange list, send
>
>         subscribe linuxjobs
>
>     in the body of the message to <majordomo@eax.com> by executing
>     the following command:

I missed that in the FAQ the last time I looked at it.  Thank you.  Also, 
I'm a little surprised that Google searches don't bring up the FAQ when you 
search for "linux jobs".  FYI.

Of course, my post to LKML was regarding the lack of this sort of 
information in David Miller's reply to the person who originally posted the 
job announcement to LKML.

David has asked us to end this thread.   I think it's a good idea.



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Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Adam Sulmicki]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Jamie Lokier wrote:

> *Please* read the linux-kernel FAQ before posting again.  There *is* a
> jobs list.

> 21. Can I post job offers/requests to the list?
>
>     (REG) Of course not!  This is a technical development list, not a job
>     exchange.  If you want to join a job exchange list, send
>
>         subscribe linuxjobs
>
>     in the body of the message to <majordomo@eax.com> by executing
>     the following command:
>
>         echo "subscribe linuxjobs" | mail majordomo@eax.com
>
>     To send messages, email to <linuxjobs@eax.com>.

One thing though. While this is the list to receive job announcements, you
should sent the job offers to me instead. For some reasons spammers love
emails with word "job" in it and I get tons of spam to that address, so it
is easy to miss the job offers with huge amount of 'd' going on.

If someone could update FAQ to reflect this, it would be great.

Adam

-- 
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http://www.eax.com 	The Supreme Headquarters of the 32 bit registers

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Adam Sulmicki]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Adam Sulmicki wrote:

> One thing though. While this is the list to receive job announcements, you
> should sent the job offers to me instead. For some reasons spammers love
> emails with word "job" in it and I get tons of spam to that address, so it
> is easy to miss the job offers with huge amount of 'd' going on.
>
> If someone could update FAQ to reflect this, it would be great.

I suppose I should clarify. The list is moderated. It used to be open but
then every time some spam would get on list some rude folks would complain
to *my* ISP about spam on the list they subscribe to (!?!?). Given choice
between closing the list and getting it moderated I picked the 2nd choice.

-- 
Adam Sulmicki
http://www.eax.com 	The Supreme Headquarters of the 32 bit registers

Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer)

[Jamie Lokier]

Adam Sulmicki wrote:
> I suppose I should clarify. The list is moderated. It used to be open but
> then every time some spam would get on list some rude folks would complain
> to *my* ISP about spam on the list they subscribe to (!?!?). Given choice
> between closing the list and getting it moderated I picked the 2nd choice.

You seem to have overdone it.  I haven't received a single mail from
the list in the month or so that I've been subscribed.

-- Jamie