From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: x86: disable preemption in delay_tsc()
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:08:59 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071115230859.d9ccea20.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071116061332.GF16273@elte.hu>
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:13:32 +0100 Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> * Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> > > > x86: disable preemption in delay_tsc()
> > > >
> > > > Marin Mitov points out that delay_tsc() can misbehave if it is
> > > > preempted and rescheduled on a different CPU which has a skewed
> > > > TSC. Fix it by disabling preemption.
> > > >
> > >
> > > this worries me.. this appears to effectively disable preemption
> > > during udelay() and mdelay() loops... which are very obvious latency
> > > inducers.
> > >
> > > Now you can argue that if you're preemptible you should have used
> > > msleep() and co, and I'll totally buy that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe we should just check if we're still on the same cpu or
> > > something, or have a cheap way to pin a process to a cpu.... but
> > > both are longer term solutions.
> >
> > Yes, we can do better.
> >
> > But this bug can cause very rare failures in probably a large number
> > of device drivers on a minorty of machines. Ugly. So I felt it best
> > to plug it fast while people think about more sophisticated fixes.
>
> how about using usleep() transparently if high-res timers are active and
> we have !preempt_count()?
And CONFIG_PREEMPT, of course
> That would be a sufficient solution and would
> avoid all the calibration and per-cpu-ness problems.
It sounds like it would work OK. What is the setup cost for a usleep? I'd
have thought that code which does something like
while (i++ < 1000) {
foo();
udelay(1);
}
would take qiute a bit longer with such a change?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-16 7:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <200711150400.lAF40lIr020160@hera.kernel.org>
2007-11-16 3:41 ` x86: disable preemption in delay_tsc() Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-16 3:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-16 6:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 7:08 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-11-16 7:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 7:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-16 8:08 ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-16 8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 8:47 ` [patch] x86: make delay_tsc() preemptible again Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 9:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-16 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
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