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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	linux arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:41:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427184106.GD2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271053300.2896@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:11:27AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> > What I want instead:
> > - we continue to force the compiler to always inline with "inline"
> > - we remove the inline's in .c files and make too big functions in 
> >   headers out-of-line
> 
> Sure, I can agree with that as a mostly good goal, but you're still 
> ignoring the fact that nobody should really expect the compiler to always 
> do a good job at deciding high-level issues.
> 
> For example, what's wrong with having "inline" on functions in .c files if 
> the author thinks they are small enough? He's likely right. Considering 
> past behaviour, he's quite often more right than the compiler.
>...

Ingo's commit in your tree just broke this assumption.

And he justified breaking it with a 2.3% size decrease.

And after
- grep'ing for "inline" through drivers/
- remembering how driver authors use likely/unlikely
- remembering the practically non-existing quality criteria you set
  for new drivers [1]
"He's likely right." is likely not right for the average driver author.

You might be smarter than gcc, but most kernel developers (including me) 
are not.

> 		Linus

cu
Adrian

[1] you said you really wanted this driver merged in this state in 2.6.25:

      grep -C4 volatile drivers/infiniband/hw/nes/nes_nic.c


-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-27 10:51 [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 11:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 11:56   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 12:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 12:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 17:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:22     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:47         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 18:00           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:09             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:14               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:24                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:32                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 19:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 19:49                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 23:26                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 23:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 18:31                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:36                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:25             ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:41             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-27 18:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 20:51           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-27 17:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 17:40       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-27 17:59         ` Adrian Bunk

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