From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:56:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100331215624.GF5163@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003312304.30917.arnd@arndb.de>
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:04:30PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 22:21:23 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > Another crazy idea I had was to simply turn the BKL into a regular mutex
> > as soon as we can show that all remaining users are of the non-recursive
> > kind and don't rely on the autorelease-on-sleep. Doing that would be
> > much easier without the pushdown into .unlocked_ioctl than it would be
> > with it.
>
> I just looked at all the users of lock_kernel remaining with my patch
> series. For 90% of them, it is completely obvious that they don't rely
> on nested locking, and they very much look like they don't need the
> autorelease either, because the BKL was simply pushed down into the
> open, ioctl and llseek functions.
>
> There are a few file systems (udf, ncpfs, autofs, coda, ...) and some
> network protocols (appletalk, ipx, irnet and x25) for which it is not
> obviously, though still quite likely, the case.
>
> So we could actually remove the BKL recursion code soon, or even turn
> all of it into a regular mutex, at least as an experimental option.
>
> The recursive users that I've removed in my series are the block, tty,
> input and sound subsystems, as well as the init code.
This is a solution that has been tried more than once already. But Linus
has told he wouldn't pull something that turns the bkl into a mutex or a
semaphore.
Plus it's quite hard to tell that it does or not auto-release somewhere
This is often something you can really spot on runtime or on small path
only.
The simple fact the bkl is not always a leaf lock makes it need the
auto-release, otherwise you experience very bad unexpected lock
dependencies.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-31 21:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-30 6:20 [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] procfs: Kill BKL in llseek on proc base Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:40 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30 6:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 2/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 3/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kmsg Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/vmcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] procfs: Push down the bkl from ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:31 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30 7:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-09 14:45 ` [PATCH v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 13:25 ` [PATCH v3] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-17 1:23 ` [PATCH v4] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:37 ` [PATCH 5/6] " Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 18:27 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 18:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 19:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 6:38 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30 7:07 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 17:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-31 20:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:55 ` Alan Cox
2010-04-01 9:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2010-04-01 11:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-01 10:22 ` John Kacur
2010-03-31 21:41 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 12:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-03 17:53 ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-10 16:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-12 15:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 16:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 16:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 11:39 ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-01 12:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 15:28 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-11 13:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-12 17:34 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-12 21:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13 9:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-13 20:10 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13 18:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-10 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker
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