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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing: remove tracing_is_on export
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:41:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2024072526-manned-ludicrous-1ce2@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240725095307.3067329f@gandalf.local.home>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 09:53:07AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:35:00 +0200
> Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
> > Generally, we don't allow symbols that are not actually being used in
> > the kernel tree?  tracing_is_on() is a "code flow" type of thing, where
> > code can operate differently if it is enabled or not.
> > 
> > And I would argue that tracing_on() and tracing_off() should also not be
> > allowed to be in a module, why would you want that?  Just enable/disable
> > it from userspace when doing your testing, IF you have permission to do
> > so.
> 
> tracing_off() is key to development, and one that I would argue very much
> against removing. The other two are more just for "completeness".
> 
> It usually is used by adding a bunch of trace_printk(), and then:
> 
> 	if (condition) {
> 		trace_printk("Condition hit!\n");
> 		tracing_off();
> 	}
> 
> And then you run your kernel until you noticed that something weird
> happened. Then look at the trace file, and it will have all the events that
> happened up to the anomaly condition, and you don't have to worry about the
> ring buffer overflowing and losing your data.
> 
> This workflow is used by many developers.

Is it documented anywhere?  I've never heard of it before, and nothing
really describes this in Documentation/ that I can find.

But as you only want these to be exported to developer kernels, why not
say that and put that behind a debugging Kconfig option or something?
That way "vendor kernels" can properly disable this as they don't want
to give this type of functionality to random 3rd-party kernel modules.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-25 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-25  9:36 [PATCH] tracing: remove tracing_is_on export Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-07-25 12:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 12:52   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-07-25 13:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 13:35       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-07-25 13:53         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 14:41           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2024-07-25 16:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-26  8:15               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-07-26 14:22                 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 14:35 ` Christoph Hellwig

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