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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Xi Wang <xii@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: prepare throttle path for task based throttle
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 16:03:19 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250523080319.GB1168183@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a129d146-755f-4559-9851-2babf173148a@linux.dev>

On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:43:40PM +0800, Chengming Zhou wrote:
> On 2025/5/21 17:21, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 05:01:58PM +0800, Chengming Zhou wrote:
> > > On 2025/5/20 18:41, Aaron Lu wrote:
> > > > From: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > In current throttle model, when a cfs_rq is throttled, its entity will
> > > > be dequeued from cpu's rq, making tasks attached to it not able to run,
> > > > thus achiveing the throttle target.
> > > > 
> > > > This has a drawback though: assume a task is a reader of percpu_rwsem
> > > > and is waiting. When it gets wakeup, it can not run till its task group's
> > > > next period comes, which can be a relatively long time. Waiting writer
> > > > will have to wait longer due to this and it also makes further reader
> > > > build up and eventually trigger task hung.
> > > > 
> > > > To improve this situation, change the throttle model to task based, i.e.
> > > > when a cfs_rq is throttled, record its throttled status but do not remove
> > > > it from cpu's rq. Instead, for tasks that belong to this cfs_rq, when
> > > > they get picked, add a task work to them so that when they return
> > > > to user, they can be dequeued. In this way, tasks throttled will not
> > > > hold any kernel resources.
> > > > 
> > > > To avoid breaking bisect, preserve the current throttle behavior by
> > > > still dequeuing throttled hierarchy from rq and because of this, no task
> > > > can have that throttle task work added yet. The throttle model will
> > > > switch to task based in a later patch.
> > > > 
> > > > Suggested-by: Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev> # tag on pick
> > > > Signed-off-by: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
> > > 
> > > I'm wondering how about put 02-04 patches together, since it's strange
> > > to setup task work in this patch but without changing throttle_cfs_rq(),
> > 
> > Do you mean 02-05?
> > Because the actual change to throttle_cfs_rq() happens in patch5 :)
> 
> Ah, right.
> 
> > 
> > > which makes the reviewing process a bit confused? WDYT?
> > 
> > Yes, I agree it looks a bit confused.
> > 
> > The point is to not break bisect while make review easier; if merging
> > all task based throttle related patches together, that would be to put
> > patch 02-05 together, which seems too big?
> 
> Yeah, a big patch but complete, instead of changing a bit on the same
> function in each patch. Anyway, it's your call :-)
>

Thanks for the suggestion and I can try that in next version.

I'm thinking maybe one patch for newly added data structures and one
patch for throttle related helper functions, than a complete patch to
switch to task based throttle and the rest is the same.

Let's also see if others have opinions on this :)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-23  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-20 10:41 [PATCH 0/7] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-05-21  8:48   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: prepare throttle path " Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 12:02   ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-05-21  6:37     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-21 11:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-21  9:01   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-21  9:21     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 11:43       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  8:03         ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-05-22 10:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 11:44     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 11:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 12:40         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:53           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 10:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-23 11:17               ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 11:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-23  7:40     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-29 11:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-30  5:36         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-30 11:02           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 12:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: prepare unthrottle " Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Take care of group/affinity/sched_class change for throttled task Aaron Lu
2025-05-22 12:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-22 12:49     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23 14:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-26 11:36         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27  6:58           ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27 11:19             ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-27 11:54               ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-27 14:16                 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-05-23  2:43   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  7:56     ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:13       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23  9:42         ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-23  9:53           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-23 11:59             ` Aaron Lu
2025-05-26 13:14               ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: switch to task based throttle model Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: task based throttle time accounting Aaron Lu
2025-05-20 10:41 ` [PATCH 7/7] sched/fair: get rid of throttled_lb_pair() Aaron Lu

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