From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: "Chang S. Bae" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>,
Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com>,
"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, tglx@kernel.org,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/microcode/intel: Panic on partial microcode update
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:56:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260728195611.5d41ee5a@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9762ae8a-70e9-4376-a6fe-a05d05721a23@intel.com>
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 07:12:13 -0700
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/26 19:58, Chang S. Bae wrote:
> > In this new state, the processor may either continue operating or end up
> > running with a combination of sub-components that has never been tested.
> > Given that, I think one question to ask in the end is whether we trust
> > the microcode's own error handling (completely), or not.
>
> We *have* to trust it completely.
>
> Think of it like this: CPUs are fundamentally analog, physical things.
> They malfunction. They break. They include human-induced design errors.
> But we don't have all kinds of code in the kernel to make sure that
> gates in the ALU don't go bonkers and do 1+1=3.
>
> It's not because kernel developers don't think that CPUs can break. It's
> because if we went trying to detect things like that ^, the kernel
> wouldn't be able to do anything else useful.
>
> It's the same for the microcode update. The kernel first trusts that the
> CPU does what the spec says. If that turns out not to be enough in the
> real world, the kernel adds some paranoia later. But it's done
> defensively against real, actual screwups. Not preemptively against
> every imaginable screwup.
>
> WARN(), please. Not panic().
>
PANIC_ON_WARN ....
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-28 18:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-30 19:13 [PATCH] x86/microcode/intel: Panic on partial microcode update Chang S. Bae
2026-06-30 21:38 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-30 21:47 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-30 23:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-07-01 19:02 ` Chang S. Bae
2026-07-18 22:54 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-07-19 15:52 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-23 22:42 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-07-27 12:35 ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-07-28 21:53 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-07-27 20:36 ` Chang S. Bae
2026-07-27 21:59 ` Sohil Mehta
2026-07-28 2:58 ` Chang S. Bae
2026-07-28 14:12 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-28 18:56 ` David Laight [this message]
2026-07-28 20:48 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-28 21:47 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-07-28 21:53 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-28 22:09 ` David Laight
2026-07-08 21:18 ` [PATCH v2] x86/microcode/intel: Taint kernel on partial update Chang S. Bae
2026-07-27 11:27 ` Nikolay Borisov
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