2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Hi,

I've the followings symptoms 

My computer is a K6-2 500 with 384Mb SDRAM

1st time to boot:
-----------------
with 2.4.20-pre2 : 30s
with 2.4.30-pre2-ac3 : 55s

2nd while running:
------------------
If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
normally after few seconds.

----
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Rik van Riel]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:

> 2nd while running:
> ------------------
> If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
> it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
> normally after few seconds.

I've got a patch that might help improve this situation:

http://surriel.com/patches/2.4/2.4.20-p2ac3-rmap14

Could you please try this patch ?

kind regards,

Rik
-- 
Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".

http://www.surriel.com/		http://distro.conectiva.com/

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> 
> > 2nd while running:
> > ------------------
> > If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
> > it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
> > normally after few seconds.
> 
> I've got a patch that might help improve this situation:
> 
> http://surriel.com/patches/2.4/2.4.20-p2ac3-rmap14
> 
> Could you please try this patch ?
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Rik
> --
> Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".
> 
> http://www.surriel.com/         http://distro.conectiva.com/

I've applied the patch, it does not improve the things.
The problem seems to be related with a DMA :
[root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -iv /dev/hda2

/dev/hda2:
multcount    =  1 (on)
IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
using_dma    =  0 (off)
keepsettings =  0 (off)
readonly     =  0 (off)
readahead    =  8 (on)
geometry     = 3649/255/63, sectors = 29302560, start = 9767520
HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument

[root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda2

/dev/hda2:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
using_dma    =  0 (off)


----
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Rik van Riel]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> >
> > > 2nd while running:
> > > ------------------
> > > If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
> > > it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
> > > normally after few seconds.
> >
> > I've got a patch that might help improve this situation:
> >
> > http://surriel.com/patches/2.4/2.4.20-p2ac3-rmap14
>
> I've applied the patch, it does not improve the things.
> The problem seems to be related with a DMA :

> /dev/hda2:
> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
> using_dma    =  0 (off)

Heh indeed.  There's no way to make your system fast if the
CPU is tied up waiting for the disk all the time ;)

regards,

Rik
-- 
Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".

http://www.surriel.com/		http://distro.conectiva.com/

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > Rik van Riel wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2nd while running:
> > > > ------------------
> > > > If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
> > > > it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
> > > > normally after few seconds.
> > >
> > > I've got a patch that might help improve this situation:
> > >
> > > http://surriel.com/patches/2.4/2.4.20-p2ac3-rmap14
> >
> > I've applied the patch, it does not improve the things.
> > The problem seems to be related with a DMA :
> 
> > /dev/hda2:
> > setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
> > using_dma    =  0 (off)
> 
> Heh indeed.  There's no way to make your system fast if the
> CPU is tied up waiting for the disk all the time ;)
> 
> regards,
> 
> Rik
> --
> Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".
> 
> http://www.surriel.com/         http://distro.conectiva.com/

Of course, but I've not yet found the way to setup DMA

At boot time, I get the messages :

Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
(BIOS)

-----
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Alan Cox]

 "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> At boot time, I get the messages :
> 
> Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> (BIOS)

Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?

If so then my guess is there is a bug in the changing of the pci setup
code in 2.4.20pre2-ac3, which shouldnt be hard to figure out

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Andre Hedrick]

There is a problem with IOPS assignment and I am still working on how make
each host carry its own fixup.

On 17 Aug 2002, Alan Cox wrote:

>  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > At boot time, I get the messages :
> > 
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > (BIOS)
> 
> Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> 
> If so then my guess is there is a bug in the changing of the pci setup
> code in 2.4.20pre2-ac3, which shouldnt be hard to figure out
> 
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Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Alan Cox wrote:
> 
>  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > At boot time, I get the messages :
> >
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > (BIOS)
> 
> Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> 
> If so then my guess is there is a bug in the changing of the pci setup
> code in 2.4.20pre2-ac3, which shouldnt be hard to figure out

sorry for the late answer, I was not @home for one week.

Attached to my ide ports are :
on the primary channel : 1 ide disk,  QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM30
                         1 ide disk,  ST3491A

on the secondary channel : 1 cdrom reader, CREATIVECD3621E
                           1 cdrom burner, GoldStar CD-RW CED-8083B

The second HDD is not DMA

-------
regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Alan Cox wrote:
> 
>  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > At boot time, I get the messages :
> >
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > (BIOS)
> 
> Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> 
> If so then my guess is there is a bug in the changing of the pci setup
> code in 2.4.20pre2-ac3, which shouldnt be hard to figure out

Sorry, I forgot,

2.4.19 enables DMA correctly, as well as 2.4.20-pre1

---------
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Alan Cox wrote:
> 
>  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > At boot time, I get the messages :
> >
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > (BIOS)
> 
> Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> 
What is the simplex device check ? You will find thereafter a copy of
the syslog while booting 2.4.19, it seems that it accepts both with DMA
enabled.

> If sSep  2 09:00:51 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: chipset revision 193
f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later
f5ibh kernel:     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA,
hdb:DMA
f5ibh kernel:     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio,
hdd:pio
f5ibh kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM30, ATA DISK drive
fibh kernel: hdb: ST3491A, ATA DISK drive
f5ibh kernel: hdc: GoldStar CD-RW CED-8083B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
f5ibh kernel: hdd: CREATIVECD3621E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
f5ibh kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
f5ibh kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d544, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
f5ibh kernel: hda: 58633344 sectors (30020 MB) w/1900KiB Cache,
CHS=3649/255/63, UDMA(33)
f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d680, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
f5ibh kernel: hdb: 836070 sectors (428 MB) w/120KiB Cache,
CHS=899/15/62, DMA

---
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jens Axboe]

On Mon, Sep 02 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
> > 
> >  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > > At boot time, I get the messages :
> > >
> > > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > > (BIOS)
> > 
> > Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> > on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> > ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> > 
> What is the simplex device check ? You will find thereafter a copy of
> the syslog while booting 2.4.19, it seems that it accepts both with DMA
> enabled.
> 
> > If sSep  2 09:00:51 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: chipset revision 193
> f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later
> f5ibh kernel:     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA,
> hdb:DMA
> f5ibh kernel:     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio,
> hdd:pio
> f5ibh kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM30, ATA DISK drive
> fibh kernel: hdb: ST3491A, ATA DISK drive
> f5ibh kernel: hdc: GoldStar CD-RW CED-8083B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> f5ibh kernel: hdd: CREATIVECD3621E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> f5ibh kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
> f5ibh kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
> f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d544, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> f5ibh kernel: hda: 58633344 sectors (30020 MB) w/1900KiB Cache,
> CHS=3649/255/63, UDMA(33)
> f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d680, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> f5ibh kernel: hdb: 836070 sectors (428 MB) w/120KiB Cache,
> CHS=899/15/62, DMA

Are you sure this is a 2.4.19 boot? It's either 2.4.20-preX (X >= 2) or
2.4.19 with block-highmem

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Jens,

Ooops ! you are right, it is 2.4.20-pre5

------
Regards
	Jean-Luc

Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 02 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > Alan Cox wrote:
> > >
> > >  "On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 18:13, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > > > At boot time, I get the messages :
> > > >
> > > > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: simplex device: DMA disabled
> > > > Aug 16 11:34:19 f5ibh kernel: ide0: ALI15X3 Bus-Master DMA disabled
> > > > (BIOS)
> > >
> > > Linux did the simplex device check. Your ALi controller only permits DMA
> > > on one of the devices at a time. What is attached to the ALi controller
> > > ? Also does 2.4.19 base enable DMA correctly ?
> > >
> > What is the simplex device check ? You will find thereafter a copy of
> > the syslog while booting 2.4.19, it seems that it accepts both with DMA
> > enabled.
> >
> > > If sSep  2 09:00:51 f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: chipset revision 193
> > f5ibh kernel: ALI15X3: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later
> > f5ibh kernel:     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA,
> > hdb:DMA
> > f5ibh kernel:     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio,
> > hdd:pio
> > f5ibh kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM30, ATA DISK drive
> > fibh kernel: hdb: ST3491A, ATA DISK drive
> > f5ibh kernel: hdc: GoldStar CD-RW CED-8083B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> > f5ibh kernel: hdd: CREATIVECD3621E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> > f5ibh kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
> > f5ibh kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
> > f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d544, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> > f5ibh kernel: hda: 58633344 sectors (30020 MB) w/1900KiB Cache,
> > CHS=3649/255/63, UDMA(33)
> > f5ibh kernel: blk: queue c023d680, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
> > f5ibh kernel: hdb: 836070 sectors (428 MB) w/120KiB Cache,
> > CHS=899/15/62, DMA
> 
> Are you sure this is a 2.4.19 boot? It's either 2.4.20-preX (X >= 2) or
> 2.4.19 with block-highmem
> 
> --
> Jens Axboe

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Andrew Rodland]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:29:48 +0200
Jean-Luc Coulon <jean-luc.coulon@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Rik van Riel wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > 
> > > 2nd while running:
> > > ------------------
> > > If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a
> > > while, it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It
> > > starts running normally after few seconds.
> /dev/hda2:
> multcount    =  1 (on)
> IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
> unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
> using_dma    =  0 (off)
> keepsettings =  0 (off)
> readonly     =  0 (off)
> readahead    =  8 (on)
> geometry     = 3649/255/63, sectors = 29302560, start = 9767520
> HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
> 
> [root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda2
> 
> /dev/hda2:
> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
> using_dma    =  0 (off)
> 
how about umaskirq (hdparm -u1) ? that should help quite a bit, if it
works.

oh, and by the way, does it matter that you're doing hdparm on a
partition rather than the wholedisk?

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Andrew Rodland wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:29:48 +0200
> Jean-Luc Coulon <jean-luc.coulon@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> 
> > Rik van Riel wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2nd while running:
> > > > ------------------
> > > > If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a
> > > > while, it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It
> > > > starts running normally after few seconds.
> > /dev/hda2:
> > multcount    =  1 (on)
> > IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
> > unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
> > using_dma    =  0 (off)
> > keepsettings =  0 (off)
> > readonly     =  0 (off)
> > readahead    =  8 (on)
> > geometry     = 3649/255/63, sectors = 29302560, start = 9767520
> > HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
> >
> > [root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda2
> >
> > /dev/hda2:
> > setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
> > using_dma    =  0 (off)
> >
> how about umaskirq (hdparm -u1) ? that should help quite a bit, if it
> works.

I can set it up, but I cannot set up the DMA

> 
> oh, and by the way, does it matter that you're doing hdparm on a
> partition rather than the wholedisk?

There is no difference

----
regards
	jean-Luc

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Heinz Diehl]

On Fri Aug 16 2002, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:

> If I have high disk activity, the system stops responding for a while,
> it does not accepts any key action nor mouse movement. It starts running
> normally after few seconds.

Try using Robert Love's "preempt-kernel" and "sched-hints" patches in
addition to -ac3, it helps a lot.

See "ftp://ftp.de.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/" for the patches.

-- 
# Heinz Diehl, 68259 Mannheim, Germany

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Tomas Szepe]

> with 2.4.20-pre2 : 30s
> with 2.4.30-pre2-ac3 : 55s

Do you get DMA on your IDE disks at all?

hdparm -iv /dev/hdX

T.

Re: 2.4.20-pre2-ac3 stops responding

[Jean-Luc Coulon]

Tomas Szepe wrote:
> 
> > with 2.4.20-pre2 : 30s
> > with 2.4.30-pre2-ac3 : 55s
> 
> Do you get DMA on your IDE disks at all?
> 
> hdparm -iv /dev/hdX
> 
> T.

Seems to have a problem with DMA

[root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -iv /dev/hda2

/dev/hda2:
multcount    =  1 (on)
IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
using_dma    =  0 (off)
keepsettings =  0 (off)
readonly     =  0 (off)
readahead    =  8 (on)
geometry     = 3649/255/63, sectors = 29302560, start = 9767520
HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument

[root@debian-f5ibh] ~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda2

/dev/hda2:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
using_dma    =  0 (off)