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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	zach.brown@oracle.com, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: RE: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:19:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <711a958d-5a76-4f00-aa69-8e5889945992@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ACB0833.2050203@redhat.com>

> From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge [mailto:jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com]
> With this in place, I can do a gettimeofday in about 100ns on a 2.4GHz
> Q6600.  I'm sure this could be tuned a bit more, but it is 
> already much better than a syscall.

To evaluate the goodness of this, we really need a full
set of measurements for:

a) cost of rdtsc (and rdtscp if different)
b) cost of vsyscall+pvclock
c) cost of rdtsc emulated
d) cost of a hypercall that returns "hypervisor system time"

On a E6850 (3Ghz but let's use cycles), I measured;

a == 72 cycles
c == 1080 cycles
d == 780 cycles

It may be partly apples and oranges, but it looks
like a good guess for b on my machine is

b == 240 cycles

Not bad, but is there any additional context switch
cost to support it?

> From: Avi Kivity [mailto:avi@redhat.com]
> Instead of using vgetcpu() and rdtsc() independently, you can 
> use rdtscp 
> to read both atomically.  This removes the need for the 
> preempt notifier.

Xen does not currently expose rdtscp and so does not emulate
(or context switch) TSC_AUX.  Context switching TSC_AUX
is certainly possible, but will likely be expensive.
If the primary reason for vsyscall+pvclock is to maximize
performance for gettimeofday/clock_gettime, this cost
would need to be added to the mix.

> preempt notifiers are per-thread, not global, and will upset 
> the cycle 
> counters.  I'd drop them and use rdtscp instead (and give up if the 
> processor doesn't support it).

Even if rdtscp is used, in the Intel processor lineup
only the very latest (Nehalem) supports rdtscp, so
"give up" doesn't seem like a very good option, at least
in the near future.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-06  0:50 [PATCH RFC] Extending pvclock down to usermode for vsyscall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/pvclock: no need to use strong read barriers in pvclock_get_time_values Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 14:19     ` Dan Magenheimer [this message]
2009-10-06 15:11       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 18:46     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 10:25       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 19:29         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 20:09           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:19             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:37               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:51                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:48         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 21:08           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 22:36             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-10  0:24         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10 18:10           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:20             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:29               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 19:13                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13  6:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-13 20:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 12:32                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:17                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 17:29                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 18:20                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28  5:52                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  9:29                               ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-28  9:34                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 17:47                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-29 12:13                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 13:03                                       ` Chris Mason
2009-10-29 14:46                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:07                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:55                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-01  9:28                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:28                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:41                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-01  9:32                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:46                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-03  5:12                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 20:30                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  6:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:52                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 15:07                                                         ` Keir Fraser
2009-11-04 21:19                                           ` john stultz
2009-11-04 21:28                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  0:02                                               ` john stultz
2009-11-05  0:45                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:23   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:47     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:28   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:48     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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