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From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Jianyong Wu <wujianyong@hygon.cn>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] sched/fair: dynamically scale the period of cache work
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:31:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3ffbb6-0748-4ed7-9877-ae864fdb734b@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <989b902f26db49d896b5301449d6e365@hygon.cn>

Hi Jianyong,

On 4/13/2026 7:27 PM, Jianyong Wu wrote:
> Hi Chenyu,
> 

[ ... ]

>>> +	WRITE_ONCE(mm->sc_stat.next_scan, (now +
>> mm->sc_stat.scan_period));
>>> +
>>
>> I suppose the above should be try_cmpxchg()?
> 
> Even though the update is not observed by others, it may not be a big problem.
> However, using try_cmpxchg may incur more overhead than WRITE_ONCE.
> So, I wonder if we can tolerate such a loss of "correctness" for the sake of performance.
> 

try_cmpxchg is triggered not very frequently(10 ms) so the overhead 
might not be
that high? try_cmpxchg "strictly" avoid two threads entering the same loop,
and it seems that in the end of task_cache_work() there is a 
update_avg_scale()
which involves
u64 *avg += xxx
which is not atomic so maybe try_cmpxchg could help with that?

>>
>> That is to say, with your above change, we have already limited the scan
>> ratio for multi-threaded processes significantly. There appears to be no
>> need to perform adaptive adjustment of scan_period - the benefit of
>> introducing an adaptive scan_period may not offset the overhead of
>> frequent writing to the "global" mm->sc_stat.scan_period due to c2c?
>>
> 
> If we can increase the scan period, the operations inside the scan work will
> not be executed frequently. Thus, there is little overhead from writing to the global variable.
> This only occurs when the preferred node is unstable and the scan work runs
> frequently. If the preferred node remains stable most of the time, we can still benefit from it.
> 

I see. BTW, why mm->sc_stat.need_scan is needed? With sc_stat.next_scan
and sc_stat.scan_period, we should be able to adjust the timeout.

Is it because you want other condition to shrink the scan_period?
Like below:
+	if (to_pref && ret == mig_forbid)
+		mm->sc_stat.need_scan = 1;

thanks,
Chenyu

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-15  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-01 21:52 [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 01/22] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:21     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-09 23:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-10  6:30         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-15  2:06   ` Vern Hao
2026-04-15  3:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 02/22] sched/cache: Limit the scan number of CPUs when calculating task occupancy Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:17   ` Luo Gengkun
2026-04-09 13:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-10 10:12       ` Luo Gengkun
2026-04-10  7:29     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-10 10:20       ` Luo Gengkun
2026-04-10 17:12       ` Tim Chen
2026-04-10 17:27         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-13  7:23           ` [RFC PATCH] sched/fair: dynamically scale the period of cache work Jianyong Wu
2026-04-13  8:38             ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-13 11:27               ` Jianyong Wu
2026-04-15  3:31                 ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2026-04-16  3:39                   ` Jianyong Wu
2026-04-15 17:22             ` Tim Chen
2026-04-14 15:07           ` [PATCH v2] sched/cache: Reduce the overhead of task_cache_work by only scan the visisted cpus Luo Gengkun
2026-04-15  3:10             ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 03/22] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 04/22] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 05/22] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 06/22] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 07/22] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 08/22] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 09/22] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 10/22] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 11/22] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 12/22] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 13/22] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 14/22] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 15/22] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 16/22] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:27     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 17/22] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 12:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-10  8:59     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-04-10  9:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 18/22] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:39     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 19/22] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 20/22] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 21/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 22/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:54 ` [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 20:02   ` Tim Chen
2026-04-14  3:20 ` Duan Tingyin
2026-04-15 17:35   ` Tim Chen
2026-04-16  0:27 ` Qais Yousef

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