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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	Koba Ko <kobak@nvidia.com>,
	Felix Abecassis <fabecassis@nvidia.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Attach sched_domain_shared to sd_asym_cpucapacity
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 10:46:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aest1kBSzJ4JUvim@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75cf4fd1-2e80-4167-9113-954015ba63e1@amd.com>

Hi Prateek,

On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 10:44:09AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Andrea,
> 
> On 4/23/2026 1:06 PM, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > index 69361c63353ad..934eb663f445e 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > @@ -7925,7 +7925,7 @@ static int select_idle_cpu(struct task_struct *p, struct sched_domain *sd, bool
> >  	struct cpumask *cpus = this_cpu_cpumask_var_ptr(select_rq_mask);
> >  	int i, cpu, idle_cpu = -1, nr = INT_MAX;
> >  
> > -	if (sched_feat(SIS_UTIL)) {
> > +	if (sched_feat(SIS_UTIL) && sd->shared) {
> >  		/*
> >  		 * Increment because !--nr is the condition to stop scan.
> >  		 *
> > @@ -12840,7 +12840,8 @@ static void set_cpu_sd_state_busy(int cpu)
> >  		goto unlock;
> >  	sd->nohz_idle = 0;
> 
> I just realised this flag only matters for accounting to "nr_busy_cpus"
> and we can bail out earlier if we don't have an sd->shared altogether.
> 
> You can probably adapt this to use guard(rcu)() while you are at it
> and send these bits as a separate cleanup first saying that the
> assumption of sd_llc->shared always existing will change with the
> coming patches and you are introducing guard rails for the same.

Ack.

> 
> >  
> > -	atomic_inc(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus);
> > +	if (sd->shared)
> > +		atomic_inc(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus);
> >  unlock:
> >  	rcu_read_unlock();
> >  }
> > @@ -12869,7 +12870,8 @@ static void set_cpu_sd_state_idle(int cpu)
> >  		goto unlock;
> >  	sd->nohz_idle = 1;
> >  
> > -	atomic_dec(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus);
> > +	if (sd->shared)
> > +		atomic_dec(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus);
> >  unlock:
> >  	rcu_read_unlock();
> >  }
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/topology.c b/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > index 5847b83d9d552..dc50193b198c6 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > @@ -680,19 +680,39 @@ static void update_top_cache_domain(int cpu)
> >  	int id = cpu;
> >  	int size = 1;
> >  
> > +	sd = lowest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL);
> > +	/*
> > +	 * The shared object is attached to sd_asym_cpucapacity only when the
> > +	 * asym domain is non-overlapping (i.e., not built from SD_NUMA).
> > +	 * On overlapping (NUMA) asym domains we fall back to letting the
> > +	 * SD_SHARE_LLC path own the shared object, so sd->shared may be NULL
> > +	 * here.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (sd && sd->shared)
> > +		sds = sd->shared;
> > +
> > +	rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_asym_cpucapacity, cpu), sd);
> > +
> >  	sd = highest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_SHARE_LLC);
> >  	if (sd) {
> >  		id = cpumask_first(sched_domain_span(sd));
> >  		size = cpumask_weight(sched_domain_span(sd));
> >  
> > -		/* If sd_llc exists, sd_llc_shared should exist too. */
> > -		WARN_ON_ONCE(!sd->shared);
> > -		sds = sd->shared;
> > +		/*
> > +		 * If sd_asym_cpucapacity didn't claim the shared object,
> > +		 * sd_llc must have one linked.
> > +		 */
> > +		if (!sds) {
> > +			WARN_ON_ONCE(!sd->shared);
> > +			sds = sd->shared;
> > +		}
> >  	}
> >  
> >  	rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_llc, cpu), sd);
> >  	per_cpu(sd_llc_size, cpu) = size;
> >  	per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = id;
> > +
> > +	/* TODO: Rename sd_llc_shared to fit the new role. */
> >  	rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_llc_shared, cpu), sds);
> 
> Would love for folks to chime in but IMO "sd_wakeup_shared" sounds
> pretty reasonable since it is mainly the wakeup path that depends on
> this except for one !ASYM load balancing trigger.

sd_wakeup_shared captures the bigger consumer (wakeup), but not the nohz
balancer kick logic.

Maybe "sd_balance_shared" (balance in a broad sense, wakeup is still affecting
balancing at the end) or "sd_effective_shared" (if we want to stress that
topology may move: LLC vs asym)?

> 
> >  
> >  	sd = lowest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_CLUSTER);
> > @@ -711,9 +731,6 @@ static void update_top_cache_domain(int cpu)
> >  
> >  	sd = highest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_ASYM_PACKING);
> >  	rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_asym_packing, cpu), sd);
> > -
> > -	sd = lowest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL);
> > -	rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_asym_cpucapacity, cpu), sd);
> >  }
> >  
> >  /*
> > @@ -2650,6 +2667,15 @@ static void adjust_numa_imbalance(struct sched_domain *sd_llc)
> >  	}
> >  }
> >  
> > +static void init_sched_domain_shared(struct s_data *d, struct sched_domain *sd)
> > +{
> > +	int sd_id = cpumask_first(sched_domain_span(sd));
> > +
> > +	sd->shared = *per_cpu_ptr(d->sds, sd_id);
> > +	atomic_set(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus, sd->span_weight);
> > +	atomic_inc(&sd->shared->ref);
> > +}
> > +
> >  /*
> >   * Build sched domains for a given set of CPUs and attach the sched domains
> >   * to the individual CPUs
> > @@ -2708,20 +2734,53 @@ build_sched_domains(const struct cpumask *cpu_map, struct sched_domain_attr *att
> >  	}
> >  
> >  	for_each_cpu(i, cpu_map) {
> > +		struct sched_domain *sd_asym = NULL;
> > +		bool asym_claimed = false;
> > +
> >  		sd = *per_cpu_ptr(d.sd, i);
> >  		if (!sd)
> >  			continue;
> >  
> > +		/*
> > +		 * In case of ASYM_CPUCAPACITY, attach sd->shared to
> > +		 * sd_asym_cpucapacity for wakeup stat tracking.
> > +		 *
> > +		 * Caveats:
> > +		 *
> > +		 * 1) has_asym is system-wide, but a given CPU may still
> > +		 *    lack an SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL ancestor (e.g., an
> > +		 *    exclusive cpuset carving out a symmetric capacity island).
> > +		 *    Such CPUs must fall through to the LLC seeding path below.
> > +		 *
> > +		 * 2) Skip the asym attach if the asym ancestor is an
> > +		 *    overlapping domain (SD_NUMA). On those topologies let the
> > +		 *    LLC path own the shared object instead.
> > +		 *
> > +		 * XXX: This assumes SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL domain
> > +		 * always has more than one group else it is prone to
> > +		 * degeneration.
> 
> I looked into this and we only set SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY if we find more
> than one capacity and SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL implies there are atleast
> two CPUs covering differnt capcities in the span.
> 
> The very first SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL domain should be safe from
> degeneration when it is non-overlapping.

Makes sense, maybe we can replace the XXX part with note like this:

 * Note: SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL is only set when multiple distinct
 * capacities exist in the domain span, so the asym domain we attach
 * to cannot degenerate into a single-capacity group. The relevant
 * edge cases are instead covered by the caveats above.

> 
> > +		 */
> > +		sd_asym = sd;
> > +		while (sd_asym && !(sd_asym->flags & SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY_FULL))
> > +			sd_asym = sd_asym->parent;
> > +
> > +		if (sd_asym && !(sd_asym->flags & SD_NUMA)) {
> > +			init_sched_domain_shared(&d, sd_asym);
> > +			asym_claimed = true;
> > +		}
> 
> We should probably guard this behind a "has_asym" check. Maybe even
> extract into a sperate helper if the nesting gets too deep. Thoughts? 

Ack, we can add an `if (has_asym)` as a quick skip logic and fold the walk +
NUMA check into a small helper.

> 
> > +
> >  		/* First, find the topmost SD_SHARE_LLC domain */
> > +		sd = *per_cpu_ptr(d.sd, i);
> 
> nit.
> 
> I think this reassignment is no longer required since you use a separate
> "sd_asym" variable now.

Ack.

> 
> >  		while (sd->parent && (sd->parent->flags & SD_SHARE_LLC))
> >  			sd = sd->parent;
> >  
> >  		if (sd->flags & SD_SHARE_LLC) {
> > -			int sd_id = cpumask_first(sched_domain_span(sd));
> > -
> > -			sd->shared = *per_cpu_ptr(d.sds, sd_id);
> > -			atomic_set(&sd->shared->nr_busy_cpus, sd->span_weight);
> > -			atomic_inc(&sd->shared->ref);
> > +			/*
> > +			 * Initialize the sd->shared for SD_SHARE_LLC unless
> > +			 * the asym path above already claimed it.
> > +			 */
> > +			if (!asym_claimed)
> > +				init_sched_domain_shared(&d, sd);
> 
> Tbh, if "has_asym" is true, we probabaly don't even need this since the
> nr_busy_cpus accounting gets us nothing.
> 
> Might save a little overhead and space on those systems but I would
> love to hear if there are any concerns if we just drop the
> sd_llc->shared when we detect asym capacities.

Hm... but "has_asym" is global, we may still need LLC-owned shared for symmetric
islands and NUMA-overlap cases, no?

Thanks,
-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-24  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-23  7:36 [PATCH v3 0/5] sched/fair: SMT-aware asymmetric CPU capacity Andrea Righi
2026-04-23  7:36 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Attach sched_domain_shared to sd_asym_cpucapacity Andrea Righi
2026-04-24  5:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-24  8:46     ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-04-24 11:18       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-24 23:29         ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-23  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/fair: Prefer fully-idle SMT cores in asym-capacity idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-04-24  5:42   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-23  7:36 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Reject misfit pulls onto busy SMT siblings on asym-capacity Andrea Righi
2026-04-24  5:37   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-24  9:21     ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-23  7:36 ` [PATCH 4/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Andrea Righi
2026-04-24  5:55   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-24 12:32   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-04-24 17:13     ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-27  5:13     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-27  8:35       ` Vincent Guittot
2026-04-27 16:01         ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-27 17:26           ` Vincent Guittot
2026-04-23  7:36 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Make asym CPU capacity idle rank values self-documenting Andrea Righi
2026-04-24  4:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-04-24  5:19     ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-24 12:34       ` Vincent Guittot

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