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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	Koba Ko <kobak@nvidia.com>,
	Felix Abecassis <fabecassis@nvidia.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity()
Date: Sat, 9 May 2026 00:05:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <af5eDSYwVcDqNiLG@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34ed67bc-6f1c-42c6-821a-ca9f1e56cca3@arm.com>

Hi Dietmar,

On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 04:49:06PM +0200, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 07.05.26 08:47, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 May 2026 at 20:11, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Dietmar and Vincent,
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 07:01:35PM +0200, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> >>> On 06.05.26 14:59, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 at 16:44, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>>> @@ -8026,10 +8027,28 @@ select_idle_capacity(struct task_struct *p, struct sched_domain *sd, int target)
> >>>>>         util_min = uclamp_eff_value(p, UCLAMP_MIN);
> >>>>>         util_max = uclamp_eff_value(p, UCLAMP_MAX);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +       if (sched_feat(SIS_UTIL) && sd->shared) {
> >>>>> +               /*
> >>>>> +                * Same nr_idle_scan hint as select_idle_cpu(), nr only limits
> >>>>> +                * the scan when not preferring an idle core.
> >>>>> +                */
> >>>>> +               nr = READ_ONCE(sd->shared->nr_idle_scan) + 1;
> >>>>> +               /* overloaded domain is unlikely to have idle cpu/core */
> >>>>> +               if (nr == 1)
> >>>>> +                       return -1;
> >>>>> +       }
> >>>>> +
> >>>>>         for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target) {
> >>>>>                 bool preferred_core = !prefers_idle_core || is_core_idle(cpu);
> >>>>>                 unsigned long cpu_cap = capacity_of(cpu);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +               /*
> >>>>> +                * Good-enough early exit (mirrors select_idle_cpu() logic).
> >>>>> +                */
> >>>>> +               if (!prefers_idle_core &&
> >>>>> +                   --nr <= 0 && best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT)
> >>>>
> >>>> With SMT, !prefers_idle_core implies that there is no idle core; Is
> >>>> best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT really expected in such case
> >>>> ?
> >>>>
> >>>> With !SMT, !prefers_idle_core is always true and we will bail out
> >>>> early as expected
> >>>
> >>> I struggle to comprehend:
> >>>
> >>> I assume the mirrored select_idle_cpu() logic is:
> >>>
> >>>     for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target + 1)
> >>>
> >>>       if (has_idle_core)
> >>>
> >>>       else
> >>>         if (--nr <= 0)
> >>>           return -1
> >>
> >> So, the logic in select_idle_cpu() is that as soon as nr <= 0, we stops the walk
> >> and returns -1, without any "only stop if the answer is good enough" guard.
> >>
> >> With this change in select_idle_capacity() when nr is exhausted, we stop only if
> >> best_cpu is "good enough" (ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT), otherwise we keep
> >> scanning. Therefore, we're not perfectly mirroring select_idle_cpu().
> 
> But when '--nr <= 0', does it actually make sense to continue scanning
> for an _idle_ CPU?
> 
>   for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target)
> 
>     if (!prefers_idle_core &&
>       --nr <= 0 && best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT)
>         return best_cpu;
> 
>     if (!choose_idle_cpu(cpu, p))   <--- !!!
>       continue;

Hm... yeah and only an idle CPU can update best_fits via the ranking down below:

	/*
	 * First, select CPU which fits better (lower is more preferred).
	 * Then, select the one with best capacity at same level.
	 */
	if ((fits < best_fits) ||
	    ((fits == best_fits) && (cpu_cap > best_cap))) {
		best_cap = cpu_cap;
		best_cpu = cpu;
		best_fits = fits;
	}

So, we'll likely continue iterating on choose_idle_cpu() and the chance of
best_fits flipping to ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT after nr is exhausted is low.

> 
> I thought we want to bail since it doesn't. The likelihood that
> choose_idle_cpu() will return 0 is high so from the point of '--nr <= 0'
> we would not be able to reach the condition to alter best_cpu anymore?
> 
> Isn't this similar to select_idle_cpu()?
> 
>   for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target + 1)
> 
>     else
>       if (--nr <= 0)
>         return -1;
>       idle_cpu = __select_idle_cpu(cpu, p);
>                    choose_idle_cpu(cpu, p)
>       if ((unsigned int)idle_cpu < nr_cpumask_bits)
>         break;

Yes, with that said I think the right thing to do is to just mirror
select_idle_cpu unconditionally and do:

    if (!prefers_idle_core && --nr <= 0)
        return best_cpu;

If we all agree on this I'll fold this change in the next version (and re-test).

Thanks,
-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-08 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260428144352.3575863-1-arighi@nvidia.com>
     [not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-2-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05  9:15   ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Drop redundant RCU read lock in NOHZ kick path Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-05  9:22     ` Andrea Righi
     [not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-4-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05 17:20   ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Prefer fully-idle SMT cores in asym-capacity idle selection Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06 18:31     ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-06 10:29   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 12:34     ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 18:15     ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-05 20:40 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] sched/fair: SMT-aware asymmetric CPU capacity Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-3-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05 12:48   ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/fair: Attach sched_domain_shared to sd_asym_cpucapacity Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06  9:45   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 10:19     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-05-06 10:30       ` Vincent Guittot
     [not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-6-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-06 12:59   ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 17:01     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06 18:11       ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-07  6:47         ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-08 14:49           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-08 22:05             ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-05-09 18:01 Andrea Righi
2026-05-09 18:01 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Andrea Righi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-05-09 18:07 [PATCH v6 0/5 RESEND] sched/fair: SMT-aware asymmetric CPU capacity Andrea Righi
2026-05-09 18:07 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Andrea Righi
2026-05-11 13:08   ` Vincent Guittot

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