From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
Koba Ko <kobak@nvidia.com>,
Felix Abecassis <fabecassis@nvidia.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity()
Date: Sat, 9 May 2026 00:05:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <af5eDSYwVcDqNiLG@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34ed67bc-6f1c-42c6-821a-ca9f1e56cca3@arm.com>
Hi Dietmar,
On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 04:49:06PM +0200, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 07.05.26 08:47, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 May 2026 at 20:11, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Dietmar and Vincent,
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 07:01:35PM +0200, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> >>> On 06.05.26 14:59, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 at 16:44, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>>> @@ -8026,10 +8027,28 @@ select_idle_capacity(struct task_struct *p, struct sched_domain *sd, int target)
> >>>>> util_min = uclamp_eff_value(p, UCLAMP_MIN);
> >>>>> util_max = uclamp_eff_value(p, UCLAMP_MAX);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> + if (sched_feat(SIS_UTIL) && sd->shared) {
> >>>>> + /*
> >>>>> + * Same nr_idle_scan hint as select_idle_cpu(), nr only limits
> >>>>> + * the scan when not preferring an idle core.
> >>>>> + */
> >>>>> + nr = READ_ONCE(sd->shared->nr_idle_scan) + 1;
> >>>>> + /* overloaded domain is unlikely to have idle cpu/core */
> >>>>> + if (nr == 1)
> >>>>> + return -1;
> >>>>> + }
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target) {
> >>>>> bool preferred_core = !prefers_idle_core || is_core_idle(cpu);
> >>>>> unsigned long cpu_cap = capacity_of(cpu);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> + /*
> >>>>> + * Good-enough early exit (mirrors select_idle_cpu() logic).
> >>>>> + */
> >>>>> + if (!prefers_idle_core &&
> >>>>> + --nr <= 0 && best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT)
> >>>>
> >>>> With SMT, !prefers_idle_core implies that there is no idle core; Is
> >>>> best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT really expected in such case
> >>>> ?
> >>>>
> >>>> With !SMT, !prefers_idle_core is always true and we will bail out
> >>>> early as expected
> >>>
> >>> I struggle to comprehend:
> >>>
> >>> I assume the mirrored select_idle_cpu() logic is:
> >>>
> >>> for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target + 1)
> >>>
> >>> if (has_idle_core)
> >>>
> >>> else
> >>> if (--nr <= 0)
> >>> return -1
> >>
> >> So, the logic in select_idle_cpu() is that as soon as nr <= 0, we stops the walk
> >> and returns -1, without any "only stop if the answer is good enough" guard.
> >>
> >> With this change in select_idle_capacity() when nr is exhausted, we stop only if
> >> best_cpu is "good enough" (ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT), otherwise we keep
> >> scanning. Therefore, we're not perfectly mirroring select_idle_cpu().
>
> But when '--nr <= 0', does it actually make sense to continue scanning
> for an _idle_ CPU?
>
> for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target)
>
> if (!prefers_idle_core &&
> --nr <= 0 && best_fits == ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT)
> return best_cpu;
>
> if (!choose_idle_cpu(cpu, p)) <--- !!!
> continue;
Hm... yeah and only an idle CPU can update best_fits via the ranking down below:
/*
* First, select CPU which fits better (lower is more preferred).
* Then, select the one with best capacity at same level.
*/
if ((fits < best_fits) ||
((fits == best_fits) && (cpu_cap > best_cap))) {
best_cap = cpu_cap;
best_cpu = cpu;
best_fits = fits;
}
So, we'll likely continue iterating on choose_idle_cpu() and the chance of
best_fits flipping to ASYM_IDLE_CORE_UCLAMP_MISFIT after nr is exhausted is low.
>
> I thought we want to bail since it doesn't. The likelihood that
> choose_idle_cpu() will return 0 is high so from the point of '--nr <= 0'
> we would not be able to reach the condition to alter best_cpu anymore?
>
> Isn't this similar to select_idle_cpu()?
>
> for_each_cpu_wrap(cpu, cpus, target + 1)
>
> else
> if (--nr <= 0)
> return -1;
> idle_cpu = __select_idle_cpu(cpu, p);
> choose_idle_cpu(cpu, p)
> if ((unsigned int)idle_cpu < nr_cpumask_bits)
> break;
Yes, with that said I think the right thing to do is to just mirror
select_idle_cpu unconditionally and do:
if (!prefers_idle_core && --nr <= 0)
return best_cpu;
If we all agree on this I'll fold this change in the next version (and re-test).
Thanks,
-Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-08 22:05 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <20260428144352.3575863-1-arighi@nvidia.com>
[not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-2-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05 9:15 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Drop redundant RCU read lock in NOHZ kick path Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-05 9:22 ` Andrea Righi
[not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-4-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05 17:20 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Prefer fully-idle SMT cores in asym-capacity idle selection Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06 18:31 ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-06 10:29 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 12:34 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 18:15 ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-05 20:40 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] sched/fair: SMT-aware asymmetric CPU capacity Dietmar Eggemann
[not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-3-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-05 12:48 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/fair: Attach sched_domain_shared to sd_asym_cpucapacity Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06 9:45 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 10:19 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-05-06 10:30 ` Vincent Guittot
[not found] ` <20260428144352.3575863-6-arighi@nvidia.com>
2026-05-06 12:59 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Vincent Guittot
2026-05-06 17:01 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-06 18:11 ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-07 6:47 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-05-08 14:49 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-05-08 22:05 ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-05-09 18:01 Andrea Righi
2026-05-09 18:01 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Andrea Righi
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2026-05-09 18:07 [PATCH v6 0/5 RESEND] sched/fair: SMT-aware asymmetric CPU capacity Andrea Righi
2026-05-09 18:07 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add SIS_UTIL support to select_idle_capacity() Andrea Righi
2026-05-11 13:08 ` Vincent Guittot
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