From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, ljs@kernel.org, david@redhat.com,
willy@infradead.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, vbabka@kernel.org,
jannh@google.com, arve@android.com, cmllamas@google.com,
christian@brauner.io, tkjos@android.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
davem@davemloft.net, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 09:48:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <anBj40CVAhcGMnQ4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260802215459.2769283-3-surenb@google.com>
On Sun, Aug 02, 2026 at 02:54:56PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>
> tl;dr: lock_vma_under_rcu() is already a trylock. No need to do both
> it and mmap_read_trylock().
>
> Long Version:
>
> == Background ==
>
> Historically, binder used an mmap_read_trylock() in its shrinker code.
> This ensures that reclaim is not blocked on an mmap_lock. Commit
> 95bc2d4a9020 ("binder: use per-vma lock in page reclaiming") added
> support for the per-VMA lock, but left mmap_read_trylock() as a
> fallback.
>
> This was presumably because the per-VMA locking can fail for several
> reasons and most (all?) lock_vma_under_rcu() callers have a fallback
> to mmap_read_trylock().
>
> == Problem ==
>
> The fallback is not worth the complexity here. lock_vma_under_rcu() is
> essentially already a non-blocking trylock. The main reason it fails
> is also the reason mmap_read_trylock() fails: something is holding
> mmap_write_lock().
>
> The only remedy for a collision with mmap_write_lock() is to wait,
> which this code can not do. So the "fallback" after
> lock_vma_under_rcu() failure is not really a fallback: it is really
> likely to just be retrying in vain. That retry in an of itself isn't
> horrible. But it adds complexity.
>
> == Solution ==
>
> Now that per-VMA locks are universally available, lock_vma_under_rcu()
> will not persistently fail. Rely on it alone and simplify the code.
>
> Full disclosure: I originally tried to do this with
> lock_vma_under_rcu_wait(), but it did not fit well with the mmap_lock
> trylock semantics. Claude caught this in a review and suggested the
> approach in this path. It seemed sane to me. So, Suggesed-by: Claude,
> I guess.
>
> Signed-off-by: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Reviewed-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-03 9:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-02 21:54 [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 14:01 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 17:45 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 15:24 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 16:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 17:41 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 17:45 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 21:12 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-04 8:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:59 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 19:33 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-03 19:43 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 9:48 ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2026-08-03 10:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:11 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 18:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04 9:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 18:31 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04 9:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 9:04 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-04 9:11 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:54 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04 8:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 15:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 14:55 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 15:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 16:24 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 16:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:13 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04 7:59 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 8:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:34 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-03 19:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:16 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 2:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Barry Song
2026-08-03 17:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04 9:27 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
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