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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	 Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, david@redhat.com, willy@infradead.org,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev,  vbabka@kernel.org, jannh@google.com,
	aliceryhl@google.com, arve@android.com,  cmllamas@google.com,
	christian@brauner.io, tkjos@android.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	 davem@davemloft.net, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 12:10:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anByp6uVW77uofKx@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260802215459.2769283-3-surenb@google.com>

On Sun, Aug 02, 2026 at 02:54:56PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
>
> tl;dr: lock_vma_under_rcu() is already a trylock. No need to do both
> it and mmap_read_trylock().
>
> Long Version:
>
> == Background ==
>
> Historically, binder used an mmap_read_trylock() in its shrinker code.
> This ensures that reclaim is not blocked on an mmap_lock. Commit
> 95bc2d4a9020 ("binder: use per-vma lock in page reclaiming") added
> support for the per-VMA lock, but left mmap_read_trylock() as a
> fallback.
>
> This was presumably because the per-VMA locking can fail for several
> reasons and most (all?) lock_vma_under_rcu() callers have a fallback
> to mmap_read_trylock().
>
> == Problem ==
>
> The fallback is not worth the complexity here. lock_vma_under_rcu() is
> essentially already a non-blocking trylock. The main reason it fails
> is also the reason mmap_read_trylock() fails: something is holding
> mmap_write_lock().
>
> The only remedy for a collision with mmap_write_lock() is to wait,
> which this code can not do. So the "fallback" after
> lock_vma_under_rcu() failure is not really a fallback: it is really
> likely to just be retrying in vain. That retry in an of itself isn't
> horrible. But it adds complexity.
>
> == Solution ==
>
> Now that per-VMA locks are universally available, lock_vma_under_rcu()
> will not persistently fail. Rely on it alone and simplify the code.
>
> Full disclosure: I originally tried to do this with
> lock_vma_under_rcu_wait(), but it did not fit well with the mmap_lock
> trylock semantics. Claude caught this in a review and suggested the
> approach in this path. It seemed sane to me. So, Suggesed-by: Claude,
> I guess.
>
> Signed-off-by: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
> Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
> Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
> Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> Cc: Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com>
> Cc: Todd Kjos <tkjos@android.com>
> Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
> Cc: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
> Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
> Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
> Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>
> Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
> ---
>  drivers/android/binder_alloc.c | 29 +++++++++++++++--------------
>  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c b/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
> index e4488ad86a65..84104ba04e30 100644
> --- a/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
> +++ b/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
> @@ -1142,7 +1142,6 @@ enum lru_status binder_alloc_free_page(struct list_head *item,
>  	struct vm_area_struct *vma;
>  	struct page *page_to_free;
>  	unsigned long page_addr;
> -	int mm_locked = 0;
>  	size_t index;
>
>  	if (!mmget_not_zero(mm))
> @@ -1151,14 +1150,20 @@ enum lru_status binder_alloc_free_page(struct list_head *item,
>  	index = mdata->page_index;
>  	page_addr = alloc->vm_start + index * PAGE_SIZE;
>
> -	/* attempt per-vma lock first */
> +	/*
> +	 * Attempt per-vma lock. This is essentially a
> +	 * "trylock". It can fail even if the VMA exists
> +	 * for 'page_addr'.
> +	 */

This makes me wonder whether lock_vma_under_rcu() should really become
vma_trylock() at some point in time? :)

Or at least have 'trylock' in the name.

>  	vma = lock_vma_under_rcu(mm, page_addr);
>  	if (!vma) {
> -		/* fall back to mmap_lock */
> -		if (!mmap_read_trylock(mm))
> -			goto err_mmap_read_lock_failed;
> -		mm_locked = 1;
> -		vma = vma_lookup(mm, page_addr);
> +		/*
> +		 * If the vma exists, we can't continue because we cannot
> +		 * remove the page from the vma. However, if the vma was
> +		 * unmapped, it's okay to continue.
> +		 */
> +		if (binder_alloc_is_mapped(alloc))
> +			goto err_vma_lock_failed;

Hmm, it seems a bit odd to me that you also have:

	if (vma && !binder_alloc_is_mapped(alloc))
		goto err_invalid_vma;

Below?

So you have:

Before:

                        	|binder_alloc_is_mapped()?
				|yes   	no
			--------|-----------------
	vma is mapped?	yes	|OK	abort
			no	|OK	OK

Now:

                        	|binder_alloc_is_mapped()?
				|yes   	no
			--------|-----------------
	vma is mapped? maybe	|abort	OK
			yes	|OK	abort
			no	|OK	OK

The 'maybe' is because the VMA trylock failed.

So the issue is you might have a case where the VMA _is_ mapped but
!binder_alloc_is_mapped(), which previously aborted because of the vma &&
!binder_alloc_is_mapped() check.

It seems like:

	/*
	 * Since a binder_alloc can only be mapped once, we ensure
	 * the vma corresponds to this mapping by checking whether
	 * the binder_alloc is still mapped.
	 */
	if (vma && !binder_alloc_is_mapped(alloc))
		goto err_invalid_vma;

Is testing for a specific scenario 'we found a VMA but it turns out it's
invalid' and aborting if so.

So either this check should be removed or you should uncondtionally abort if
!vma I think?


>  	}
>
>  	if (!mutex_trylock(&alloc->mutex))
> @@ -1191,9 +1196,7 @@ enum lru_status binder_alloc_free_page(struct list_head *item,
>  	}
>
>  	mutex_unlock(&alloc->mutex);
> -	if (mm_locked)
> -		mmap_read_unlock(mm);
> -	else
> +	if (vma)
>  		vma_end_read(vma);
>  	mmput_async(mm);
>  	binder_free_page(page_to_free);
> @@ -1203,11 +1206,9 @@ enum lru_status binder_alloc_free_page(struct list_head *item,
>  err_invalid_vma:
>  	mutex_unlock(&alloc->mutex);
>  err_get_alloc_mutex_failed:
> -	if (mm_locked)
> -		mmap_read_unlock(mm);
> -	else
> +	if (vma)
>  		vma_end_read(vma);
> -err_mmap_read_lock_failed:
> +err_vma_lock_failed:
>  	mmput_async(mm);
>  err_mmget:
>  	return LRU_SKIP;
> --
> 2.55.0.508.g3f0d502094-goog
>

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-03 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-02 21:54 [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 14:01   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 17:45     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 15:24   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 16:08     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 17:41       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 17:45         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 21:12       ` Jann Horn
2026-08-04  8:56         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:59           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 19:33   ` Jann Horn
2026-08-03 19:43     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03  9:48   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-03 10:50     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:11       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:33         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 18:02       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04  9:15         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:10   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-03 18:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04  9:08       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04  9:04     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-04  9:11       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:54         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:28   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:01     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04  8:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 15:00         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 14:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 15:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 16:24       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 16:43         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:13           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04  7:59             ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04  8:44               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:34   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-03 19:14     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:16     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03  2:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Barry Song
2026-08-03 17:51   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-04  9:27     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)

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