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From: Dirk Gouders <dirk@gouders.net>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip] x86/locking/atomic: Use asm_inline for atomic locking insns
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2025 11:52:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gh8qpil9d3.fsf@gouders.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z8ix9YQEIdyAopCw@gmail.com> (Ingo Molnar's message of "Wed, 5 Mar 2025 21:20:05 +0100")

Hi Ingo,

my interest comes, because I just started to try to better understand
PCL and am reading the perf manual pages.  Perhaps I should therefore
keep my RO-bit permanent for some more months, but:

> And if the benchmark is context-switching heavy, you'll want to use 
> 'perf stat -a' option to not have PMU context switching costs, and the 

I'm sure you know what you are talking about so I don't doubt the above
is correct but perhaps, the manual page should also clarify -a:

-a::
--all-cpus::
        system-wide collection from all CPUs (default if no target is specified)

In the last example -a is combined with -C 2 which is even more irritating when
you just started with the manual pages.


But the main reason why I thought it might be OK to once toggle my
RO-bit is that I tried your examples and with the first one I have way
higher numbers than yours and I thought that must be, because you just
own the faster machine (as I would have expected):

>  starship:~> perf bench sched pipe
>  # Running 'sched/pipe' benchmark:
>  # Executed 1000000 pipe operations between two processes
>
>      Total time: 6.939 [sec]
>
>        6.939128 usecs/op
>          144110 ops/sec

lena:~> perf bench sched pipe
# Running 'sched/pipe' benchmark:
# Executed 1000000 pipe operations between two processes

     Total time: 11.129 [sec]

      11.129952 usecs/op
          89847 ops/sec

And I expected this to continue throughout the examples.

But -- to keep this short -- with the last example, my numbers are
suddenly significantly lower than yours:

>  starship:~> taskset 0x4 perf stat -a -C 2 -e instructions --repeat 5 perf bench sched pipe
>        5.808068 usecs/op
>        5.843716 usecs/op
>        5.826543 usecs/op
>        5.801616 usecs/op
>        5.793129 usecs/op
>
>  Performance counter stats for 'system wide' (5 runs):
>
>     32,244,691,275      instructions                                                            ( +-  0.21% )
>
>            5.81624 +- 0.00912 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.16% )

lena:~> taskset 0x4 perf stat -a -C 2 -e instructions --repeat 5 perf bench sched pipe
       4.204444 usecs/op
       4.169279 usecs/op
       4.186812 usecs/op
       4.217039 usecs/op
       4.208538 usecs/op

 Performance counter stats for 'system wide' (5 runs):

    14,196,762,588      instructions                                                            ( +-  0.04% )

           4.20203 +- 0.00854 seconds time elapsed  ( +-  0.20% )



Of course, I don't want to waste anyones time if this is a so obvious
thing that only newbies don't understand.  So, feel free to just ignore this.

Regards

Dirk

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-06 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-28 12:35 [PATCH -tip] x86/locking/atomic: Use asm_inline for atomic locking insns Uros Bizjak
2025-02-28 13:13 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-28 16:48 ` Dave Hansen
2025-02-28 22:31   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-02-28 22:58     ` Dave Hansen
2025-03-01  9:05       ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-01 12:38         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-05  8:54           ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-05 17:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-05 19:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-05 19:47               ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-05 22:18                 ` David Laight
2025-03-05 20:14               ` David Laight
2025-03-06 10:45                 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-06 13:07                   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-06 22:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-08  7:22                       ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-08 19:15               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-05 19:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-05 20:13               ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-05 20:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06  9:38                   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-05 20:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06 10:52                 ` Dirk Gouders [this message]
2025-03-06 10:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-05 20:36             ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-05 21:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-06  9:01                 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-06  9:43                   ` kernel: Current status of CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y (was: Re: [PATCH -tip] x86/locking/atomic: Use asm_inline for atomic locking insns) Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06 10:37                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-03-06 20:37                     ` David Laight
2025-03-03 13:12       ` [PATCH -tip] x86/locking/atomic: Use asm_inline for atomic locking insns David Laight
2025-03-02 20:56   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-03 12:23     ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-08 19:08   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-09  7:50     ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-09  9:46       ` David Laight
2025-03-09  9:57         ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-06  9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06 10:26   ` Uros Bizjak
2025-03-06 10:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06 10:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-06 13:56   ` Uros Bizjak

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