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From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
To: Alexander Wilhelm <alexander.wilhelm@westermo.com>,
	"Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Aquantia PHY in OCSGMII mode?
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 12:28:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250828092859.vvejz6xrarisbl2w@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aK7MV2TrkVKwOEpr@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 10:13:59AM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 11:03:42AM +0200, Alexander Wilhelm wrote:
> > I asked the hardware engineer again. The point is that the MAC does not set
> > SGMII for 100M. It still uses 2500base-x but with 10x paket repetition.
> 
> No one uses symbol repetition when in 2500base-x mode. Nothing supports
> it. Every device datasheet I've read states clearly that symbol
> repetition is unsupported when operating at 2.5Gbps.
> 
> Also think about what this means. If the link is operating at 2.5Gbps
> with a 10x symbol repetition, that means the link would be passing
> 250Mbps. That's not compatible with _anything_.

FWIW, claim 5 of this active Cisco patent suggests dividing frames into
2 segments, replicating symbols from the first segment twice and symbols
from the second segment three times.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7356047B1/en

I'm completely unaware of any implementations of this either, though.

To remain on topic, I don't see how the hardware engineer's claim can be
true. The PCS symbol replication is done through the IF_MODE_SPEED
field, which lynx_pcs_link_up_2500basex() sets to SGMII_SPEED_2500 (same
as SGMII_SPEED_1000, i.e. no replication). You can confirm that the
IF_MODE register has the expected value by putting a print.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-28  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-31 14:59 Aquantia PHY in OCSGMII mode? Alexander Wilhelm
2025-07-31 15:14 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-07-31 16:02   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-01  5:44     ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-04 14:53       ` Andrew Lunn
2025-07-31 17:16 ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-07-31 19:26   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-01  5:50     ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-01 11:01     ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-01 11:54       ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-01 11:58         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-01 12:06           ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-01 12:23             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-01 12:36               ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-01 13:04               ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-01 14:02                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-01 14:37                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-04  6:17                 ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-04 10:01                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-04 13:01                     ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-04 13:41                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-04 14:47                         ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-04 16:00                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-04 16:02                             ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-05  7:59                               ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-05 10:20                                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-05 12:44                                   ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-06 14:58                                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-07  5:56                                       ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  5:57                                       ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  7:31                                         ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-27  8:41                                           ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  8:47                                             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-27  9:03                                               ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  9:13                                                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-28  9:28                                                   ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2025-10-02  5:54                                                     ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-10-07 14:08                                                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-10-08  7:47                                                         ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-10-08 11:10                                                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-10-08 12:52                                                             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-10-08 13:00                                                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-10-08 13:28                                                             ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-10-08 14:55                                                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-10-09  6:05                                                                 ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  8:08                                         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-27  8:32                                           ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-27  8:45                                             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-04 14:22                       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-08-04 14:51                         ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-08-04 14:56                         ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-01 11:13     ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-08-01  5:53   ` Alexander Wilhelm

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