From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>,
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Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
patches@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2026 18:15:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiGkrQnMeyPmEvRB@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg0e8pP5haNW4qJP1=QwwUEctwjK5k07sv8bskitoMDgg@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 08:58:33AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 at 08:53, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
> >
> > > It looks like you're actually doing exactly the thing that I thought
> > > was crazy and wouldn't even work reliably: you change the
> > > common_response[] contents dynamically *after* the vmsplice, and
> > > depend on the fact that changing it in user space changes the buffer
> > > in the pipe too.
> >
> > No no, it's definitely not doing that (or it's a bug, but it's not
> > supposed to happen). I'm perfectly aware that one must definitely not
> > do that, and it's a guarantee the user of vmsplice() must provide.
>
> Whew, good.
>
> In that case, can you just try the vmsplice patch series (Christian
> already found a bug, but I don't think it will necessarily matter in
> practice - famous last words) and that test patch of mine, and see if
> it all (a) works for you and (b) if you have any numbers for
> performance that would be *great*.
Yes I wanted to do that and noted it on my todo list yesterday when
noticing the ongoing discussion. Just been super busy with yesterday's
by-yearly release ;-) But at least I wanted to share quick feedback in
this thread about existing uses.
> There aren't many obvious splice users out there, and even if they
> were to exist they are typically specialized enough that you have to
> have a real use case to then tell if the patches make a difference in
> real life or not.
I totally agree, that's why I want to share some feedback. I remember
years ago when splice() was broken in 2.6.25, there were so few users
that I was the one reporting an API issue to Eric who addressed it
early by lack of users. And I even consider that due to the very few
users, it's even acceptable to slightly change the way to use it if
it can provide extra guarantees (like requiring a capability to access
non-anonymous pages for example). It should not break that many apps,
and as long as they can preserve their essential benefits, I think
most will be OK to adapt.
> So you testing that thing would seem to be a great first test of
> whether any of this is realistic..
Absolutely!
Willy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-04 16:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-31 1:01 [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Askar Safin
2026-05-31 1:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] tee: fs/splice.c: remove unused parameter "flags" from "link_pipe" Askar Safin
2026-05-31 1:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Askar Safin
2026-06-03 20:56 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2026-06-03 21:17 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-04 9:06 ` David Laight
2026-06-04 14:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-04 17:38 ` David Laight
2026-05-31 1:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] splice: remove PIPE_BUF_FLAG_GIFT Askar Safin
2026-05-31 8:54 ` [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Pedro Falcato
2026-05-31 21:21 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-01 16:16 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-02 21:12 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-02 21:37 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-02 22:41 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 23:07 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-02 22:54 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03 0:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 1:08 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03 3:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 6:45 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-03 13:40 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-03 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 18:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 19:22 ` David Howells
2026-06-03 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 21:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 21:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 22:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 22:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 22:43 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03 22:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 23:00 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-04 0:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 18:12 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-03 11:43 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-03 18:14 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-01 3:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-01 15:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-01 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-01 16:17 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-01 16:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 19:24 ` David Howells
2026-06-01 16:23 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-01 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-01 17:33 ` Al Viro
2026-06-01 20:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-02 0:28 ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-02 8:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 18:44 ` Eric Biggers
2026-06-03 7:50 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04 6:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2026-06-04 14:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-04 15:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2026-06-04 15:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-04 16:15 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2026-06-04 15:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-04 16:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2026-06-04 17:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 9:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-06-04 0:45 ` Askar Safin
2026-06-04 1:52 ` Linus Torvalds
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