Re: Fighting back

Re: Fighting back

[Ranjeet Shetye]

if a spammer locates 2 people with MIRROR on, and sends spam to A while
spoofing's B's address as source, you've got disaster on hand.

if you really piss off an intelligent spammer (is there such a thing ?),
he/she might set you up by spoofing your IP to N other MIRROR sites,
effectively forcing you to execute a DDoS on yourself.

Be careful what you wish for :D

Ranjeet.

On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 00:27, Linux wrote:
> That's a very good point.
> 
> Hmmm... More thinking needed.
> 
> Linux_303
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SBlaze" <dagent.geo@yahoo.com>
> To: "Linux" <linux@usermail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Fighting back
> 
> 
> > I think its safe to say we would all like to give a little back to those
> who
> > repeatedly bombard us with useless scans... What you want to do can
> > "theoretically" be done with the MIRROR jump. Should it be done? Probably
> not.
> >
> > Once an attacker learns they are in a sence scaning themselves.... they
> can
> > easily go about some sort of spoofing method in which the SRC IP is a
> target as
> > opposed to himself. You could easily find yourself a man in the middle of
> a DOS
> > attack against someone.
> >
> > I wouldn't do this... but hey it's up to you
> >
> > SBlaze
> >
> >
> > --- Linux <linux@usermail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I feel that rpc and netbois scans to my network from the outside are an
> > > obvious attempt to see what I have open, and I'm sure all of you would
> agree.
> > >  Because I run NFS only via my internal network, there are no machines
> that
> > > would connect via my external interface.  I am going to institute a rule
> that
> > > will cause a person scanning on ports 32770:32789 and 137 to redirect
> and
> > > scan the ports on the src IP address.  In essence, anyone scanning me,
> will
> > > be basically scanning themselves.
> > >
> > > All I am asking is for some input to this and whether it is a good idea
> or
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Linux_303
> > >
> >
> >
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-- 
Ranjeet Shetye
Senior Software Engineer
Zultys Technologies
Ranjeet dot Shetye2 at Zultys dot com
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Fighting back

[Linux]

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Hello all,

I feel that rpc and netbois scans to my network from the outside are an obvious attempt to see what I have open, and I'm sure all of you would agree.  Because I run NFS only via my internal network, there are no machines that would connect via my external interface.  I am going to institute a rule that will cause a person scanning on ports 32770:32789 and 137 to redirect and scan the ports on the src IP address.  In essence, anyone scanning me, will be basically scanning themselves.

All I am asking is for some input to this and whether it is a good idea or not.

Thank you,

Linux_303

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Re: Fighting back

[Linux]

That's a very good point.

Hmmm... More thinking needed.

Linux_303


----- Original Message -----
From: "SBlaze" <dagent.geo@yahoo.com>
To: "Linux" <linux@usermail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fighting back


> I think its safe to say we would all like to give a little back to those
who
> repeatedly bombard us with useless scans... What you want to do can
> "theoretically" be done with the MIRROR jump. Should it be done? Probably
not.
>
> Once an attacker learns they are in a sence scaning themselves.... they
can
> easily go about some sort of spoofing method in which the SRC IP is a
target as
> opposed to himself. You could easily find yourself a man in the middle of
a DOS
> attack against someone.
>
> I wouldn't do this... but hey it's up to you
>
> SBlaze
>
>
> --- Linux <linux@usermail.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I feel that rpc and netbois scans to my network from the outside are an
> > obvious attempt to see what I have open, and I'm sure all of you would
agree.
> >  Because I run NFS only via my internal network, there are no machines
that
> > would connect via my external interface.  I am going to institute a rule
that
> > will cause a person scanning on ports 32770:32789 and 137 to redirect
and
> > scan the ports on the src IP address.  In essence, anyone scanning me,
will
> > be basically scanning themselves.
> >
> > All I am asking is for some input to this and whether it is a good idea
or
> > not.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Linux_303
> >
>
>
> =====
> "No touchy NO TOUCHY! Emperor Kuzko -=Emperor's New Groove=-"
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
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Re: Fighting back

[Alistair Tonner]

	I'm inclined to agree with these folks ... I would rather think
	that TARPIT would be more to appropos what you would like ... 
	further it would at least make that scan a longish one ... 
	although I suppose that would depend on the scanning software 
	being used..... as well as the true skill level of the scanner.  Keep
	in mind that althought there are a lot of script kiddies out there, 
	there are still some folks with more skill than good graces or 
	brains, and they will manage to do something with what ever you
	give them ... (Gotta love DROP ... ) 

	Alistair


On January 17, 2003 10:26 am, Ranjeet Shetye wrote:
> if a spammer locates 2 people with MIRROR on, and sends spam to A while
> spoofing's B's address as source, you've got disaster on hand.
>
> if you really piss off an intelligent spammer (is there such a thing ?),
> he/she might set you up by spoofing your IP to N other MIRROR sites,
> effectively forcing you to execute a DDoS on yourself.
>
> Be careful what you wish for :D
>
> Ranjeet.
>
> On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 00:27, Linux wrote:
> > That's a very good point.
> >
> > Hmmm... More thinking needed.
> >
> > Linux_303
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "SBlaze" <dagent.geo@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Linux" <linux@usermail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fighting back
> >
> > > I think its safe to say we would all like to give a little back to
> > > those
> >
> > who
> >
> > > repeatedly bombard us with useless scans... What you want to do can
> > > "theoretically" be done with the MIRROR jump. Should it be done?
> > > Probably
> >
> > not.
> >
> > > Once an attacker learns they are in a sence scaning themselves.... they
> >
> > can
> >
> > > easily go about some sort of spoofing method in which the SRC IP is a
> >
> > target as
> >
> > > opposed to himself. You could easily find yourself a man in the middle
> > > of
> >
> > a DOS
> >
> > > attack against someone.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't do this... but hey it's up to you
> > >
> > > SBlaze
> > >
> > > --- Linux <linux@usermail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I feel that rpc and netbois scans to my network from the outside are
> > > > an obvious attempt to see what I have open, and I'm sure all of you
> > > > would
> >
> > agree.
> >
> > > >  Because I run NFS only via my internal network, there are no
> > > > machines
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > would connect via my external interface.  I am going to institute a
> > > > rule
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > will cause a person scanning on ports 32770:32789 and 137 to redirect
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > scan the ports on the src IP address.  In essence, anyone scanning
> > > > me,
> >
> > will
> >
> > > > be basically scanning themselves.
> > > >
> > > > All I am asking is for some input to this and whether it is a good
> > > > idea
> >
> > or
> >
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Linux_303
> > >
> > > =====
> > > "No touchy NO TOUCHY! Emperor Kuzko -=Emperor's New Groove=-"
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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