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From: Mikko Rapeli <mikko.rapeli@linaro.org>
To: Alexander Kanavin <alex.kanavin@gmail.com>
Cc: Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	Adrian Freihofer <adrian.freihofer@gmail.com>,
	openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org
Subject: Re: [OE-core] [PATCH v3 01/11] systemd: enable efi support by default
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 18:27:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_fjRoOGro758Lwv@nuoska> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANNYZj9dJyOavS3ag-jbfyTd8q252RFU3smmFtFpKa_yEkKsqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

First, Sorry for the email address mixup with Adrian, mutt
bounce did unexpected things.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 04:51:51PM +0200, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 at 16:39, Ilias Apalodimas
> <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org> wrote:
> > I am going to assume that by 'boards' we mostly target embedded ones right?
> > The majority of those work with U-Boot which has a pretty capable EFI
> > implementation nowadays and supports a variety of filesystems.
> >
> > P.S: I am pretty sure that EDK2 and servers support more filesystems
> > than just FAT, but I can double check.
> 
> We're talking about UEFI firmware, right? The thing that reads the
> bootloader from ESP/ on storage and runs it. Is u-boot or ovmf used to
> implement that? It's that firmware that I have scepticism about, not
> the bootloaders.

There are multiple levels of bootloaders. From HW to first ones in
CPU SW/firmware, multiple levels inside and implementing UEFI and then
ones using UEFI interfaces to load operating systems.

We're talking about the ones which implement UEFI and edk2 and u-boot are the
most popular ones. ovmf is based on edk2, as are many SoC vendor firmware
implementations. Default qemu builds of u-boot also implement UEFI which we use
in oe-core to boot wic images with an ESP partition which then hosts
grub or systemd-boot OS loaders, config files, kernel, initramfs and/or
UKI binaries.

Hope this helps,

-Mikko


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-10 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-04 16:29 [PATCH v3 00/11] systemd based initrd and modular kernel support Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] systemd: enable efi support by default Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-10 10:16   ` [OE-core] " Adrian Freihofer
2025-04-10 11:12     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-10 11:45     ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 12:12       ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 17:44         ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-10 17:48           ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 19:19             ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-11 10:56               ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 20:53         ` Adrian Freihofer
2025-04-11 10:38           ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 12:13       ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-10 12:54         ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 14:20           ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-10 14:38             ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 14:51               ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-10 15:16                 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2025-04-10 15:27                 ` Mikko Rapeli [this message]
2025-04-11  8:40   ` Mike Looijmans
2025-04-11 10:45     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-11 11:08       ` mike.looijmans
2025-04-14 16:28         ` Adrian Freihofer
2025-04-15  9:51           ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-15 10:39             ` Jose Quaresma
2025-04-15 16:20             ` Peter Kjellerstedt
2025-04-16  6:08               ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-16  9:07                 ` Koen Kooi
2025-04-16 10:10                 ` Adrian Freihofer
2025-04-16 12:54                 ` Peter Kjellerstedt
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] uki.bbclass: drop serial console from kernel command line Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] kernel.bbclass: add kernel-initrd-modules meta package Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-08  3:42   ` [OE-core] " Bruce Ashfield
2025-04-10 12:42   ` Richard Purdie
2025-04-10 13:00     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-10 13:15       ` Bruce Ashfield
2025-04-11  7:48         ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-11 12:52           ` Bruce Ashfield
2025-04-11 13:12             ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-11 13:39               ` Bruce Ashfield
2025-04-11 13:45                 ` Richard Purdie
2025-04-22 10:18                 ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-23 12:48                   ` Bruce Ashfield
     [not found]     ` <1834F69070219745.7383@lists.openembedded.org>
2025-04-11  8:07       ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] core-image-initramfs-boot: add option to build systemd based initrd Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-07  6:01   ` [OE-core] " Koen Kooi
2025-04-07  6:12     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-07  8:58       ` Koen Kooi
2025-04-07  9:08         ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-10 12:45   ` Richard Purdie
2025-04-10 13:05     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] core-image-initramfs-boot: don't install RRECOMMENDS to reduce size Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-10 12:47   ` [OE-core] " Richard Purdie
2025-04-10 13:09     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] core-image-initramfs-boot: install kernel-initrd-modules by default Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] oeqa selftest uki.py: add aarch64/arm test with systemd based initrd Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] test_efi_plugin_plain_systemd-boot: don't set console Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] image_types_wic.bbclass: capture verbose wic output by default Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-14 20:43   ` [OE-core] " Trevor Woerner
2025-04-15  5:19     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-22 14:25       ` Alexander Kanavin
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] wic bootimg-efi.py: fail build if no binaries installed Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-14 20:51   ` [OE-core] " Trevor Woerner
2025-04-15  5:03     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-04 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] image_types_wic.bbclass: depend on grub-efi and systemd-boot on aarch64, systemd-boot on arm Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-14 20:48   ` [OE-core] " Trevor Woerner
2025-04-15  5:01     ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-07  7:53 ` [OE-core] [PATCH v3 00/11] systemd based initrd and modular kernel support Mathieu Dubois-Briand
2025-04-07  8:10   ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-07  8:51     ` Mathieu Dubois-Briand
2025-04-07  9:24       ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-07  9:52         ` Mathieu Dubois-Briand
2025-04-07 10:26           ` Mikko Rapeli
     [not found]           ` <18340261181AE46F.21691@lists.openembedded.org>
2025-04-07 11:13             ` Mikko Rapeli
2025-04-08 11:26               ` Mathieu Dubois-Briand
2025-04-08 11:39                 ` Mikko Rapeli

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