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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, cohuck@redhat.com,
	sgarzare@redhat.com, nrupal.jani@intel.com,
	Piotr.Uminski@intel.com, hang.yuan@intel.com,
	virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] Re: [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023 17:22:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZAYTPeXUNevSFtOE@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8d41902-b794-66e9-8f15-e8617435047c@redhat.com>

Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 08:58:12AM CET, jasowang@redhat.com wrote:
>
>在 2023/3/3 08:05, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
>> On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 03:40:07PM -0500, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 08:05:06AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> > > The admin virtqueues will be the first interface to issue admin commands.
>> > > 
>> > > Currently virtio specification defines control virtqueue to manipulate
>> > > features and configuration of the device it operates on. However,
>> > > control virtqueue commands are device type specific, which makes it very
>> > > difficult to extend for device agnostic commands.
>> > > 
>> > > To support this requirement in a more generic way, this patch introduces
>> > > a new admin virtqueue interface.
>> > Is this referring to the existing virtio-net, virtio-scsi, etc control
>> > virtqueues?
>> > 
>> > I see the admin virtqueue as the virtqueue equivalent to transport
>> > feature bits. The admin queue does nothing device type-specific (net,
>> > scsi, etc) and instead focusses on transport and core virtio tasks.
>> > 
>> > Keeping the device-specific virtqueue separate from the admin virtqueue
>> > is simpler and has fewer potential problems. I don't think creating
>> > common infrastructure for device-specific control virtqueues across
>> > device types worthwhile or within the scope of this patch series.
>> yes this commit log is outdated. referred to original
>> proposal by Max which also planned to replace cvq.
>
>
>Any advantages of allowing PF to change VF's filters? If you're referring

Which filters are you referring to?


>provisioning, the semantic should be different:
>
>1) using admin virtqueue to provision attributes of mac, #vpqs
>2) once the provisioning is done, we should fail another provisioning request

Wait. Why are you assuming provisioning of any kind? In which patch this
is covered?


>
>But 1) should be different from what is used for ctrl vq which is designed
>for the use of the driver not the management.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>> will update.
>> 
>> 
>> > > We also support more than one admin virtqueue, for QoS and
>> > > scalability requirements.
>> > > 
>> > > Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
>> > > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>> > > ---
>> > >   admin.tex   | 74 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > >   content.tex |  7 +++--
>> > >   2 files changed, 79 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> > > 
>> > > diff --git a/admin.tex b/admin.tex
>> > > index 7e28b77..3ffac2e 100644
>> > > --- a/admin.tex
>> > > +++ b/admin.tex
>> > > @@ -155,3 +155,77 @@ \subsection{Group administration commands}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virti
>> > >   \field{command_specific_data} and \field{command_specific_result}
>> > >   depends on these structures and is described separately or is
>> > >   implicit in the structure description.
>> > > +
>> > > +\section{Administration Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Administration Virtqueues}
>> > > +
>> > > +An administration virtqueue of an owner device is used to submit
>> > > +group administration commands. An owner device can have more
>> > > +than one administration virtqueue.
>> > > +
>> > > +If VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ has been negotiated, an owner device exposes one
>> > > +or more adminstration virtqueues. The number and locations of the
>> > > +administration virtqueues are exposed by the owner device in a transport
>> > > +specific manner.
>> > > +
>> > > +The driver submits commands by queueing them to an arbitrary
>> > > +administration virtqueue, and they are processed by the
>> > > +device in the order in which they are queued. It is the
>> > > +responsibility of the driver to ensure ordering for commands
>> > > +placed on different administration virtqueues, because they will
>> > > +be executed with no order constraints.
>> > Does "they are processed by the device in the order in which they are
>> > queued" mean only 1 admin command can be running at any given time and
>> > therefore they will complete in order? This would allow pipelining
>> > dependent commands but prevent long-running commands because the
>> > virtqueue is blocked while executing a command.
>> we have multiple vqs for that.
>> 
>> > > +
>> > > +Administration virtqueues are used as follows:
>> > > +\begin{itemize}
>> > > +\item The driver submits the command using the \field{struct virtio_admin_cmd}
>> > > +structure using a buffer consisting of two parts: a device-readable one followed by a
>> > > +device-writable one.
>> > > +\item the device-readable part includes fields from \field{opcode}
>> > > +through \field{command_specific_data}.
>> > > +\item the device-writeable buffer includes fields from \field{status}
>> > > +through \field{command_specific_result} inclusive.
>> > > +\end{itemize}
>> > > +
>> > > +For each command, this specification describes a distinct
>> > > +format structure used for \field{command_specific_data} and
>> > > +\field{command_specific_result}, the length of these fields
>> > > +depends on the command.
>> > > +
>> > > +However, to ensure forward compatibility
>> > > +\begin{itemize}
>> > > +\item drivers are allowed to submit buffers that are longer
>> > > +than what the device expects
>> > > +(that is, longer than the length of
>> > > +\field{opcode} through \field{command_specific_data}).
>> > > +This allows the driver to maintain
>> > > +a single format structure even if some structure fields are
>> > > +unused by the device.
>> > > +\item drivers are allowed to submit buffers that are shorter
>> > > +than what the device expects
>> > > +(that is, shorter than the length of \field{status} through
>> > > +\field{command_specific_result}). This allows the device to maintain
>> > > +a single format structure even if some structure fields are
>> > > +unused by the driver.
>> > > +\end{itemize}
>> > > +
>> > > +The device compares the length of each part (device-readable and
>> > > +device-writeable) of the buffer as submitted by driver to what it
>> > > +expects and then silently truncates the structures to either the
>> > > +length submitted by the driver, or the length described in this
>> > > +specification, whichever is shorter.  The device silently ignores
>> > > +any data falling outside the shorter of the two lengths. Any
>> > > +missing fields are interpreted as set to zero.
>> > > +
>> > > +Similarly, the driver compares the used buffer length
>> > > +of the buffer to what it expects and then silently
>> > > +truncates the structure to the used buffer length.
>> > > +The driver silently ignores any data falling outside
>> > > +the used buffer length reported by the device.  Any missing
>> > > +fields are interpreted as set to zero.
>> > > +
>> > > +This simplifies driver and device implementations since the
>> > > +driver/device can simply maintain a single large structure (such
>> > > +as a C structure) for a command and its result. As new versions
>> > > +of the specification are designed, new fields can be added to the
>> > > +tail of a structure, with the driver/device using the full
>> > > +structure without concern for versioning.
>> > > +>>>>>>> 0edc690... admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues
>> > A merge conflict line crept into the patch?
>> yes. I fixed it I thought but somehow it's still there :(
>> 
>> > > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>> > > index ffe45c4..c8647c9 100644
>> > > --- a/content.tex
>> > > +++ b/content.tex
>> > > @@ -99,10 +99,10 @@ \section{Feature Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature B
>> > >   \begin{description}
>> > >   \item[0 to 23, and 50 to 127] Feature bits for the specific device type
>> > > -\item[24 to 40] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
>> > > +\item[24 to 41] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
>> > >     feature negotiation mechanisms
>> > > -\item[41 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future extensions.
>> > > +\item[42 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future extensions.
>> > >   \end{description}
>> > >   \begin{note}
>> > > @@ -7682,6 +7682,9 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserved Feature Bits}
>> > >     that the driver can reset a queue individually.
>> > >     See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}.
>> > > +  \item[VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ(41)] This feature indicates that the device exposes one or more
>> > > +  administration virtqueues.
>> > > +
>> > >   \end{description}
>> > >   \drivernormative{\section}{Reserved Feature Bits}{Reserved Feature Bits}
>> > > -- 
>> > > MST
>> > > 
>> 
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-06 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1677761896.git.mst@redhat.com>
2023-03-06 16:40 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Jiri Pirko
2023-03-06 22:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 17:15       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <2d232eba17d75c5dad2db17dc297f34a3612c33e.1677761896.git.mst@redhat.com>
2023-03-06 17:00   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] [PATCH v10 02/10] admin: introduce device group and related concepts David Edmondson
     [not found] ` <0a784140387c2a592f7e1e7bbc5ae926ec5b45da.1677761896.git.mst@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <m2leka0yvl.fsf@oracle.com>
2023-03-06 22:00     ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:04       ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 14:16         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 15:04           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <ZAXcqqdwfoLokT2l@nanopsycho>
2023-03-06 22:54   ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 17:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 19:31         ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  5:11           ` Jason Wang
2023-03-08 12:02             ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-10  8:32           ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-03-08  9:49         ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 16:30     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 17:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 18:15       ` Jiri Pirko
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2023-03-03 20:23           ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v10 03/10] admin: introduce group administration commands Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 11:31             ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 12:03               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:31   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " David Edmondson
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2023-03-07 18:26       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-15 10:44       ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
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     [not found]             ` <4f869944-4ccd-c51e-0f30-dc3ba15ffd52@nvidia.com>
2023-03-07 18:33               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  0:34               ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08  1:01                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  1:06                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08  1:14                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 10:55                 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 12:07                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 13:05                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 14:43                       ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 14:54                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 15:21                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09  0:29                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-09  6:38                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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2023-03-03 13:37         ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 20:21           ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-05  9:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-06  0:03               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-06  0:18                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                   ` <20230306110340.GA35392@fedora>
2023-03-06 18:37                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-06 20:17                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-06 21:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 11:07                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  8:03                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 14:39                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 15:07                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 19:03                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 19:09                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  5:17                                 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jason Wang
2023-03-08 11:58                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 11:59                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:17                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 12:44                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 12:57                                   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 17:17                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 16:13                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:08                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 11:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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     [not found]                   ` <20230306112030.GB35392@fedora>
2023-03-06 15:28                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-06 16:25                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 19:04                         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 11:17                         ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 14:13                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 16:19                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 17:15                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 17:21                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 12:35                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-09 13:55                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 15:56                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 16:21                             ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]       ` <e8d41902-b794-66e9-8f15-e8617435047c@redhat.com>
2023-03-06 16:22         ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
     [not found]       ` <027fff1b-8ed7-abc0-2331-b188b8822bf4@nvidia.com>
2023-03-06 22:49         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 20:58           ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 21:09             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 21:17               ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:28               ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07  7:56         ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <ZAXfegxCfvfLwiJT@nanopsycho>
2023-03-06 15:37     ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-06 18:44       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-06 18:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:36       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 16:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:05           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 11:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:08               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 17:29                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-03-08 18:01                   ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 18:19                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 21:25                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:30                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-09 13:04                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 13:57                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 14:02                           ` David Edmondson
2023-03-09 14:11                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 14:22                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 14:30                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 14:43                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 16:53                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 17:14                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 17:16                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 21:45             ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:37               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-09 12:36                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 16:32                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 10:41   ` David Edmondson
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2023-03-07 11:04   ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v10 09/10] admin: conformance clauses David Edmondson
2023-03-08 11:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:59       ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 13:05         ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 13:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 13:44           ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 14:02             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 14:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-10  9:10   ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-03-10  9:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-10 18:00       ` Zhu Lingshan
2023-03-10  9:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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2023-03-06 18:46         ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] Re: [PATCH v10 06/10] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:40           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 18:52       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 16:24         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 16:37           ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 16:30         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 18:21           ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
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2023-03-07 10:54   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 08/10] admin: command list discovery David Edmondson
     [not found]   ` <ZAXbBgN2jw8RhE/3@nanopsycho>
2023-03-08 11:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:41       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-31 11:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:38   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-10  8:14   ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu, Lingshan
     [not found]   ` <20230302210929.GH2554028@fedora>
2023-03-31 11:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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