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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
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	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	"pasic@linux.ibm.com" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 18:43:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230302184301-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB54810807C3FB1E12BC5BF970DCB29@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 06:39:29PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 8:05 AM
> > 
> > Feature negotiation forms the basis of forward compatibility guarantees of
> > virtio but has never been properly documented.
> > Do it now.
> > 
> > Suggested-by: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > ---
> 
> It may be little painful, but in 10 patch series, it is worth having per patch change log.
> Because I do not know my reviewed by tag in [1] was dropped because of a big change, if so what was it or it was simply missed out.
> 
> [1] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-dev/202302/msg00237.html

I just lost it, no change.

> >  content.tex | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 42 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index 0e474dd..0c2d917 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -114,21 +114,63 @@ \section{Feature Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a
> > Virtio Device / Feature B  In particular, new fields in the device configuration
> > space are  indicated by offering a new feature bit.
> > 
> > +To keep the feature negotiation mechanism extensible, it is important
> > +that devices \em{do not} offer any feature bits that they would not be
> > +able to handle if the driver accepted them (even though drivers are not
> > +supposed to accept them in the first place even if offered, according
> > +to this version of the specification.) Likewise, it is important that
> > +drivers \em{do not} accept feature bits they do not know how to handle
> > +(even though devices are not supposed to offer them in the first place,
> > +according to this version of the specification.) The preferred way for
> > +handling reserved and unexpected features is that the driver ignores
> > +them.
> > +
> > +In particular, this is
> > +especially important for features limited to specific transports, as
> > +enabling these for more transports in future versions of the
> > +specification is highly likely to require changing the behaviour from
> > +drivers and devices.  Drivers and devices supporting multiple
> > +transports need to carefully maintain per-transport lists of allowed
> > +features.
> > +
> >  \drivernormative{\subsection}{Feature Bits}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device /
> > Feature Bits}  The driver MUST NOT accept a feature which the device did not
> > offer,  and MUST NOT accept a feature which requires another feature which
> > was  not accepted.
> > 
> > +The driver MUST validate the feature bits offered by the device.
> > +The driver MUST ignore and MUST NOT accept any feature bit that is
> > +\begin{itemize} \item not described in this specification, \item marked
> > +as reserved, \item not supported for the specific transport, \item not
> > +defined for the device type.
> > +\end{itemize}
> > +
> >  The driver SHOULD go into backwards compatibility mode  if the device does
> The grammar tool is suggesting s/backwards/backward.
> 
> > not offer a feature it understands, otherwise MUST  set the FAILED \field{device
> > status} bit and cease initialization.
> > 
> > +By contrast, the driver MUST NOT fail solely because a feature it does
> > +not understand has been offered by the device.
> > +
> Above line can be written without introducing "has been" given we have only two entities (driver, dev) to care about.
> 
> By contrast, the driver MUST NOT fail solely because it does not understand the feature offered by the device.
> 
> >  \devicenormative{\subsection}{Feature Bits}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device /
> > Feature Bits}  The device MUST NOT offer a feature which requires another
> > feature  which was not offered.  The device SHOULD accept any valid subset  of
> Extra white space between feature and which, subset and of.
> 
> > features the driver accepts, otherwise it MUST fail to set the  FEATURES_OK
> > \field{device status} bit when the driver writes it.
> > 
> Extra white space between the FEATURE_OK
> 
> > +The device MUST NOT offer feature bits corresponding to features it
> > +would not support if accepted by the driver (even if the driver is
> > +prohibited from accepting the feature bits by the specification); for
> > +the sake of clarity, this refers to feature bits not described in this
> > +specification, reserved feature bits and feature bits reserved or not
> > +supported for the specific transport or the specific device type, but
> > +this does not preclude devices written to a future version of this
> > +specification from offering such feature bits should such a
> > +specification have a provision for devices to support the corresponding
> > +features.
> > +
> >  If a device has successfully negotiated a set of features  at least once (by
> > accepting the FEATURES_OK \field{device  status} bit during device
> > initialization), then it SHOULD
> > --
> > MST


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Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-02 13:04 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 13:04 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:39   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 23:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
     [not found]   ` <m2leka0yvl.fsf@oracle.com>
2023-03-06 22:00     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:04       ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 14:16         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 15:04           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 13:04 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 02/10] admin: introduce device group and related concepts Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:39   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 23:44     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 19:40   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-06 17:00   ` David Edmondson
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 03/10] admin: introduce group administration commands Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:40   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 20:19     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-03  0:01       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 13:17         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-03 13:19           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <4f869944-4ccd-c51e-0f30-dc3ba15ffd52@nvidia.com>
2023-03-07 18:33               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  0:34               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08  1:01                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  1:06                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08  1:14                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
     [not found]                 ` <6668fd7a-3eb3-0447-9cbf-72d308b1336a@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 12:07                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                     ` <992e9a1e-3799-842c-79f3-e66f5c823356@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 14:43                       ` Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 14:54                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 15:21                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                   ` <2ef47f53-5978-4b6a-593d-4e94eba0b9ac@nvidia.com>
2023-03-09  6:38                     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 23:47     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 18:26       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 20:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02 23:57     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 13:13       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-03 13:18         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 20:23           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 11:31             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 12:03               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:31   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " David Edmondson
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:40   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 23:48     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 20:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-03  0:05     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 13:28       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-03 13:37         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03 20:21           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-05  9:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-06  0:03               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-06  0:18                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                   ` <20230306110340.GA35392@fedora>
2023-03-06 18:37                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-06 20:17                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-06 21:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 11:07                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  8:03                       ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 14:39                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 15:07                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 19:03                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 19:09                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  5:17                                 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Jason Wang
2023-03-08 11:58                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 11:59                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:17                               ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 12:44                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 12:57                                   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 17:17                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 16:13                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:08                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 11:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                 ` <7f63fa0a-7deb-5875-6c6b-bfc651681653@redhat.com>
     [not found]                   ` <20230306112030.GB35392@fedora>
     [not found]                     ` <853c78d0-f752-05e9-d79d-811e82801627@nvidia.com>
2023-03-06 16:25                       ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-07 19:04                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
     [not found]                         ` <e74483a4-38fa-99b5-86b8-785f0b98d029@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 14:13                           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 16:21                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
     [not found]                             ` <18ddbf69-19a6-3c6b-9e42-aaae66e20bcf@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 17:15                               ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-08 17:21                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 12:35                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-09 13:55                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 15:56                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]       ` <e8d41902-b794-66e9-8f15-e8617435047c@redhat.com>
2023-03-06 16:22         ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
     [not found]       ` <027fff1b-8ed7-abc0-2331-b188b8822bf4@nvidia.com>
2023-03-06 22:49         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]           ` <e12ab469-4586-f0f5-b084-8f2d7c031e11@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 21:09             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 21:17               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:28               ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07  7:56         ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <ZAXfegxCfvfLwiJT@nanopsycho>
2023-03-06 18:40     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:36       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 16:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 10:05           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 11:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:08               ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                 ` <18d51bc0-d759-1a05-cb7c-3d46c4ed2f1a@nvidia.com>
2023-03-08 18:01                   ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 18:19                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 21:25                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:30                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-09 13:04                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 13:57                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 14:02                           ` [virtio-dev] " David Edmondson
2023-03-09 14:11                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 14:22                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 14:30                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 14:43                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 16:53                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 17:14                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09 17:16                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 21:45             ` Parav Pandit
2023-03-09  7:37               ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-09 12:36                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-09 16:32                   ` [virtio-dev] " Jiri Pirko
     [not found]     ` <17471553-8981-eef9-656b-098e1acdda14@nvidia.com>
2023-03-06 18:44       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:41   ` David Edmondson
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 05/10] pci: add admin vq registers to virtio over pci Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 20:51   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 06/10] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:40   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 23:51     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 23:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-03  8:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]       ` <ZAXB44F3MS9CxIiK@nanopsycho>
2023-03-06 18:46         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:40           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 18:52       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 16:24         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 16:37           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08 16:30         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 18:21           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-02 20:52   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 07/10] ccw: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 20:53   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 08/10] admin: command list discovery Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 21:09   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-31 11:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 10:54   ` [virtio-dev] " David Edmondson
     [not found]   ` <ZAXbBgN2jw8RhE/3@nanopsycho>
2023-03-08 11:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:41       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-31 11:43         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:38   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-10  8:14   ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 09/10] admin: conformance clauses Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 11:04   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-03-08 11:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 12:59       ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 13:05         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 13:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 13:44           ` David Edmondson
2023-03-08 14:02             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 14:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-10  9:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-03-10  9:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-10 18:00       ` Zhu Lingshan
2023-03-10  9:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 13:05 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 10/10] ccw: document more reserved features Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 21:12   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02 13:38 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Parav Pandit
2023-03-02 23:27   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-02 18:39 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-06 16:40 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-06 22:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 17:15       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <ZAXcqqdwfoLokT2l@nanopsycho>
2023-03-06 22:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07  7:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-03-07 17:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-07 19:31         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-08  5:11           ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-03-08 12:02             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-03-10  8:32           ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-03-08  9:49         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio] " Jiri Pirko
2023-03-08 16:30     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-03-08 17:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-08 18:15       ` Jiri Pirko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-09 12:13 [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:50   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit

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