From: Redeeman <lkml@metanurb.dk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: LKML Mailinglist <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:13:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1089407610.10745.5.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040709182638.GA11310@elte.hu>
this all seems pretty cool...
do you think you could make a patch against mm for this? it would be
greatly apreciated
On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 20:26 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> as most of you are probably aware of it, there have been complaints on
> lkml that the 2.6 kernel is not suitable for serious audio work due to
> high scheduling latencies (e.g. the Jackit people complained). I took a
> look at latencies and indeed 2.6.7 is pretty bad - latencies up to 50
> msec (!) can be easily triggered using common workloads, on fast 2GHz+
> x86 system - even when using the fully preemptible kernel!
>
> to solve this problem, Arjan van de Ven and I went over various kernel
> functions to determine their preemptability and we re-created from
> scratch a patch that is equivalent in performance to the 2.4 lowlatency
> patches but is different in design, impact and approach:
>
> http://redhat.com/~mingo/voluntary-preempt/voluntary-preempt-2.6.7-bk20-H2
>
> (Note to kernel patch reviewers: the split voluntary_resched type of
> APIs, the feature #ifdefs and runtime flags are temporary and were
> only introduced to enable a easy benchmarking/comparisons. I'll split
> this up into small pieces once there's testing feedback and actual
> audio users had their say!)
>
> unlike the lowlatency patches, this patch doesn't add a lot of new
> scheduling points to the source code, it rather reuses a rich but
> currently inactive set of scheduling points that already exist in the
> 2.6 tree: the might_sleep() debugging checks. Any code point that does
> might_sleep() is in fact ready to sleep at that point. So the patch
> activates these debugging checks to be scheduling points. This reduces
> complexity and impact quite significantly.
>
> but even using these (over one hundred) might_sleep() points there were
> still a number of latency sources in the kernel - we identified and
> fixed them by hand, either via additional might_sleep() checks, or via
> explicit rescheduling points. Sometimes lock-break was necessary as
> well.
>
> as a practical goal, this patch aims to fix all latency sources that
> generate higher than ~1 msec latencies. We'd love to learn about
> workloads that still cause audio skipping even with this patch applied,
> but i've been unable to generate any load that creates higher than 1msec
> latencies. (not counting driver initialization routines.)
>
> this patch is also more configurable than the 2.4 lowlatency patches
> were: there's a .config option to enable voluntary preemption, and there
> are runtime /proc/sys knobs and boot-time flags to turn voluntary
> preemption (CONFIG_VOLUNTARY_PREEMPT) and kernel preemption
> (CONFIG_PREEMPT) on/off:
>
> # turn on/off voluntary preemption (if CONFIG_VOLUNTARY_PREEMPT)
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/voluntary_preemption
> echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/voluntary_preemption
>
> # turn on/off the preemptible kernel feature (if CONFIG_PREEMPT)
> /proc/sys/kernel/kernel_preemption
> /proc/sys/kernel/kernel_preemption
>
> the 'voluntary-preemption=0/1' and 'kernel-preemption=0/1' boot options
> can be used to control these flags at boot-time.
>
> all 4 combinations make sense if both CONFIG_PREEMPT and
> CONFIG_VOLUNTARY_PREEMPT are enabled - great for performance/latency
> testing and comparisons.
>
> The stock 2.6 kernel is equivalent to:
>
> voluntary_preemption:0 kernel_preemption:0
>
> the 2.6 kernel with voluntary kernel preemption is equivalent to:
>
> voluntary_preemption:1 kernel_preemption:0
>
> the 2.6 kernel with preemptible kernel enabled is:
>
> voluntary_preemption:0 kernel_preemption:1
>
> and the preemptible kernel enhanced with additional lock-breaks is
> enabled via:
>
> voluntary_preemption:1 kernel_preemption:1
>
> it is safe to change these flags anytime.
>
> The patch is against 2.6.7-bk20, and it also includes fixes for kernel
> bugs that were uncovered while developing this patch. While it works for
> me, be careful when using this patch!
>
> Testreports, comments, suggestions are more than welcome,
>
> Ingo
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Thread overview: 270+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 0:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 1:02 ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 7:43 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10 6:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 7:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 8:10 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 8:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36 ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20 1:38 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20 6:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36 ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 7:07 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 7:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 7:16 ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 9:29 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18 ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 6:47 ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 6:59 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18 ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11 7:09 ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29 ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12 8:23 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12 9:51 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45 ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52 ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15 ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman [this message]
2004-07-10 8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 8:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10 8:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 1:04 ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 9:45 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 9:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 9:58 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 10:42 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07 ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12 7:08 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12 ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24 ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58 ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 0:21 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13 1:01 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13 7:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 8:12 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 0:01 ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 0:08 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 8:51 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 9:36 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26 ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14 0:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14 0:45 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 23:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13 7:58 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 0:17 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 0:46 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 2:52 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 7:57 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20 5:38 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 6:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20 6:59 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 7:11 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49 ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21 0:32 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21 1:25 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38 ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24 0:25 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18 ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04 ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25 ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27 ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 4:07 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 5:46 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 6:33 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 6:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27 ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27 5:15 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24 4:58 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 8:31 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 8:43 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 8:53 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 9:00 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 9:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 9:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 9:33 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 9:44 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 9:23 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 9:29 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 8:07 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 3:27 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21 4:58 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 5:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 6:03 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 8:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 4:56 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 7:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 16:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23 5:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 6:45 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23 6:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 7:11 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23 7:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 7:28 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 2:47 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 2:28 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 7:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28 6:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30 2:23 ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26 ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 2:32 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 9:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37 ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06 ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 16:00 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24 ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52 ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54 ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37 ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42 ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28 ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 0:16 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42 ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36 ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48 ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27 ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31 ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32 ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 6:07 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13 0:58 ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13 1:00 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 3:31 ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13 6:31 ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26 ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 14:50 ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16 4:50 ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller
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