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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Scott Wood <scott@timesys.com>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu, arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"La Monte H.P. Yarroll" <piggy@timesys.com>
Subject: [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:06:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040722100657.GA14909@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040721223749.GA2863@yoda.timesys>


* Scott Wood <scott@timesys.com> wrote:

> > trying to make softirqs preemptible surely wont fly for 2.6 and it will
> > also overly complicate the softirq model. What's so terminally wrong
> > about adding preemption checks to the softirq paths? It should solve the
> > preemption problem for good. The unbound softirq paths are well-known
> > (mostly in the networking code) and already have preemption-alike
> > checks.
> 
> If every such loop in every softirq is taken care of, that would work
> (though only until someone adds a new softirq that forgets to check
> for preemption).  I don't see any such checks in either the transmit
> or receive network softirqs in vanilla 2.6.7, though (are they in a
> patch, or am I overlooking them?), much less in each individual
> driver.  There are checks for excessive work (where "excessive" is not
> well defined in terms of actual time), but none for need_resched()
> except in a few isolated places.

i've added an infrastructure for easy softirq lock-break and preemption 
to the -H9 version of the voluntary-preempt patch:

  http://redhat.com/~mingo/voluntary-preempt/voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9

in -H9 i've fixed the most important softirq latency sources:

 - the RCU code

  this one is new and is really bad - it can literally execute tens of
  thousands of d_callback() functions within rcu_do_batch() causing
  millisecs of delays - e.g. triggered by the 'du /' test on a box with
  enough RAM. It affects UP just as much as SMP, in both preempt and 
  non-preempt mode as well.

 - the timer code

  no real latencies in practice but in theory if enough timers are set 
  to fire in the same jiffy it could be easily unbound.

 - net TX/RX code

  being the worst offender this had some throttling code already but it 
  didnt listen to resched requests. It does now.

it is really easy to do lock-break of softirqs, one only has to find a
place where it's safe to enable softirq processing and do a
cond_resched_softirq() call.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-22 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 270+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  0:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  1:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13  7:43           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10  6:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:10       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36           ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  1:38             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20  6:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36       ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12     ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:07           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  7:09             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:16             ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  9:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18       ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  6:47         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  6:59           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11  7:09           ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29               ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12  8:23                 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12  9:51                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45                     ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52                     ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15               ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman
2004-07-10  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57                 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10  8:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10  1:04   ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:45     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:58         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 10:42             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12  7:08                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12             ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24   ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  0:21           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13  1:01           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13  7:49             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  8:12               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:01       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:08         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14  8:51                   ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14  9:36                     ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26                     ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14  0:40                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14  0:45                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 23:21                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13  7:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  0:17       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:46         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:52           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  3:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  7:57               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  5:38                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  6:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  6:59                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                           ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49                               ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21  0:32                                 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21  1:25                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38                                     ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24  0:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19                                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53                                   ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18                                     ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04                                       ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49                                     ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25                                     ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27                                   ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  4:07                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  5:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:33                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27                             ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27  5:15                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41                           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24  4:58                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:31               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  8:53                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:21                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:33                           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:23                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:29                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:07           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  3:27             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  7:03               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21  4:58                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  5:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:03                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  8:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  8:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  4:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22  7:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 16:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  6:45                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  6:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  7:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:28                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:47                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:28                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  7:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53                                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45                                         ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28  6:45                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52                                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36                                                 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17                                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25                                                     ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30  2:23                                             ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57                                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:32                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  9:51                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11                                 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14                             ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31                               ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06                               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-07-22 16:00                                 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24                                     ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52                                       ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54                                       ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37                                               ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42                                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58                                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24  0:16                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36                                                         ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48                                                         ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27                                                             ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31                                           ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32                                           ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:07                 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14                 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13  0:58         ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13  1:00           ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  3:31         ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13  6:31           ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26         ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 14:50           ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16  4:50   ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49     ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller

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