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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	paul@linuxaudiosystems.com, rlrevell@joe-job.com,
	linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu, arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:03:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040902230336.GA30920@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040902152046.1b34d793.akpm@osdl.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:

> None of these approaches improves worst-case latency at all on SMP. 
> If we're not going to address the SMP problem we could just make it
> UP-only, in which case increased locking costs are a non-issue.
> 
> I'd prefer that we find a solution for SMP too though.

i have solved the fundamental SMP latency problems in the -Q7 patch, by
redesigning how SMP preemption is done. Here's the relevant changelog
entry:

[...]

the main change in this patch are more SMP latency fixes. The stock
kernel, even with CONFIG_PREEMPT enabled, didnt have any spin-nicely
preemption logic for the following, commonly used SMP locking
primitives: read_lock(), spin_lock_irqsave(), spin_lock_irq(),
spin_lock_bh(), read_lock_irqsave(), read_lock_irq(), read_lock_bh(),
write_lock_irqsave(), write_lock_irq(), write_lock_bh(). Only
spin_lock() and write_lock() [the two simplest cases] where covered.

In addition to the preemption latency problems, the _irq() variants in
the above list didnt do any IRQ-enabling while spinning - possibly
resulting in excessive irqs-off sections of code!

-Q7 fixes all of these latency problems: we now re-enable interrupts
while spinning in all possible cases, and a spinning op stays
preemptible if this is a beginning of a new critical section.

[...]

feedback from Mark H Johnson:

 http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/8/30/202

the latest patch is:

  http://redhat.com/~mingo/voluntary-preempt/voluntary-preempt-2.6.9-rc1-bk4-R0

i'm already in the process of cleaning up the patch and making it ready
for splitup & merge. The spinlock fixes will be amongst the first
patches i'll send you.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-02 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 271+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  0:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  1:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13  7:43           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10  6:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:10       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36           ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  1:38             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20  6:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36       ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12     ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:07           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  7:09             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:16             ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  9:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18       ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  6:47         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  6:59           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11  7:09           ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29               ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12  8:23                 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12  9:51                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45                     ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52                     ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15               ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman
2004-07-10  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57                 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10  8:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10  1:04   ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:45     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:58         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 10:42             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12  7:08                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12             ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24   ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  0:21           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13  1:01           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13  7:49             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  8:12               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:01       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:08         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14  8:51                   ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14  9:36                     ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26                     ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14  0:40                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14  0:45                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-09-02 23:21                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13  7:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  0:17       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:46         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:52           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  3:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  7:57               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  5:38                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  6:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  6:59                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                           ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49                               ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21  0:32                                 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21  1:25                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38                                     ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24  0:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19                                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53                                   ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18                                     ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04                                       ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49                                     ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25                                     ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27                                   ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  4:07                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  5:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:33                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27                             ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27  5:15                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41                           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24  4:58                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:31               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  8:53                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:21                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:33                           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:23                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:29                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:07           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  3:27             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  7:03               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21  4:58                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  5:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:03                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  8:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  8:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  4:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22  7:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 16:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  6:45                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  6:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  7:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:28                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:47                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:28                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  7:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53                                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45                                         ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28  6:45                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52                                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36                                                 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17                                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25                                                     ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30  2:23                                             ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57                                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:32                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  9:51                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11                                 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14                             ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31                               ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 16:00                                 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24                                     ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52                                       ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54                                       ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37                                               ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42                                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58                                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24  0:16                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36                                                         ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48                                                         ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27                                                             ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31                                           ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32                                           ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:07                 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14                 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13  0:58         ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13  1:00           ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  3:31         ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13  6:31           ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26         ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 14:50           ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16  4:50   ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49     ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-13 15:16 [linux-audio-dev] " Shane Shrybman

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