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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	cryptoapi@lists.logix.cz, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	David McCullough <davidm@snapgear.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:50:28 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112093428.5243.88.camel@uganda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050329103049.GB19541@gondor.apana.org.au>

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On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 20:30 +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 12:21:04PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > 
> > What catastrophic consequences? Noone is likely to even *notice*, and
> > it does not help practical attack at all. Unless hardware RNGs are
> > *very* flakey (like, more flakey than harddrives), this is not a problem.
> 
> The reason some people use hardware RNGs in the first place is because
> they don't trust the software RNGs.  When the hardware RNG fails but
> continues to send data to /dev/random, /dev/random essentially degenerates
> into a software RNG.  Now granted /dev/random is a pretty good software
> RNG, however, for some purposes it just isn't good enough.

I think the most people use hardware accelerated devices to
speed up theirs calculations - embedded world is the best example - 
applications that are written to use /dev/random
will work just too slow, so hardware vendors
place HW assistant chips to unload that very cpu-intencive work
from main CPU.
Without ability speed this up in kernel, we completely [ok, almost] 
loose all RNG advantages.

-- 
        Evgeniy Polyakov

Crash is better than data corruption -- Arthur Grabowski

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-29 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-15 13:36 ocf-linux-20050315 - Asynchronous Crypto support for linux David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:27 ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:30   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.4.29) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:33   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  4:46     ` David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:49       ` Michal Ludvig
2005-03-24  5:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 12:37         ` Folkert van Heusden
2005-03-24 12:52         ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 20:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  7:18       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-24  7:37         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-24  4:38   ` [PATCH] " Andrew Morton
2005-03-24  5:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  5:32       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-29  1:33         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-24  5:43       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-24 12:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:39       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:45           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:46             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-31  3:52             ` David McCullough
2005-03-31 13:58               ` [PATCH] API for TRNG (2.6.11) [Fortuna] Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-04-13 15:36                 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 12:28     ` [PATCH 2.6.12-rc1] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy David McCullough
2005-03-24 12:38     ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24 18:51     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-24 20:37       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-27 17:19         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-27 18:55           ` folkert
2005-03-28 15:20             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 15:24               ` folkert
2005-03-29  7:17               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:03                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:16             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:07               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:15           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 11:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 12:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:08       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:23       ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 13:46         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:56           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:34             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:48               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:33                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  5:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  6:16                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:13                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:34                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:59                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:56                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:19                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  7:19                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  7:38                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  7:25                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:58                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <424495A8.40804@freescale.com>
2005-03-25 23:43                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25 23:47                                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  0:47                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-26  0:36                                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  8:52                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-28 13:45                                           ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-28 21:30                                             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:23                                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:21                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:38                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:45                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2005-03-29 10:46                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 11:42                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 11:39                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 12:15                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 12:13                                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 12:43                                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 13:11                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 14:38                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 13:48                                     ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-29 23:36                               ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-29 22:02                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-29 22:24                           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 22:46                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 21:22                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-30 21:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 22:27                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 10:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:25                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:53                   ` Martin Mares
2005-03-24 20:54         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 14:25       ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 20:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 21:20         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  5:52     ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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