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From: David McCullough <davidm@snapgear.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	cryptoapi@lists.logix.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, jmorris@redhat.com,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:52:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050331035214.GA12181@beast> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42439781.4080007@pobox.com>


Jivin Jeff Garzik lays it down ...
...
> >If kernelspace can assist and driver _knows_ in advance that data
> >produced is cryptographically strong, why not allow it directly
> >access pools?
> 
> A kernel driver cannot know in advance that the data from a hardware RNG 
> is truly random, unless the data itself is 100% validated beforehand.

You can also say that it cannot know that data written to /dev/random
is truly random unless it is also validated ?

For argument you could just run "cat < /dev/hwrandom > /dev/random"
instead of using rngd.

If /dev/random demands a level of randomness,  shouldn't it enforce it ?

If the HW is using 2 random sources, a non-linear mixer and a FIPS140
post processor before handing you a random number it would be nice to
take advantage of that IMO.

Cheers,
Davidm

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-31  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-15 13:36 ocf-linux-20050315 - Asynchronous Crypto support for linux David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:27 ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:30   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.4.29) David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:33   ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  4:46     ` David McCullough
2005-03-24  4:49       ` Michal Ludvig
2005-03-24  5:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 12:37         ` Folkert van Heusden
2005-03-24 12:52         ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 20:51           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  7:18       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-24  7:37         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-24  4:38   ` [PATCH] " Andrew Morton
2005-03-24  5:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24  5:32       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-29  1:33         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-24  5:43       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-24 12:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:39       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:45           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:46             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-31  3:52             ` David McCullough [this message]
2005-03-31 13:58               ` [PATCH] API for TRNG (2.6.11) [Fortuna] Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-04-13 15:36                 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 12:28     ` [PATCH 2.6.12-rc1] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy David McCullough
2005-03-24 12:38     ` [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy (2.6.11) David McCullough
2005-03-24 18:51     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-24 20:37       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-27 17:19         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-27 18:55           ` folkert
2005-03-28 15:20             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 15:24               ` folkert
2005-03-29  7:17               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:03                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:16             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-29 15:07               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29  7:15           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 11:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 12:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:08       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 13:23       ` David McCullough
2005-03-24 13:46         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-24 20:56           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  4:34             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  4:48               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  5:33                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  5:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  6:16                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:13                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:34                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:33                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  6:59                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  6:56                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:19                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  7:19                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25  7:38                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-25  7:25                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  7:58                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <424495A8.40804@freescale.com>
2005-03-25 23:43                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-25 23:47                                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  0:47                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-26  0:36                                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-26  8:52                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-28 13:45                                           ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-28 21:30                                             ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:23                                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:21                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:38                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:45                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 10:46                               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 11:42                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 11:39                                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 12:15                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 12:13                                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 12:43                                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 13:11                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 14:38                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 13:48                                     ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-29 23:36                               ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-29 22:02                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-29 22:24                           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 22:46                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 21:22                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-30 21:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-30 22:27                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 10:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-29 10:25                   ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-29 10:53                   ` Martin Mares
2005-03-24 20:54         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 14:25       ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2005-03-24 20:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-24 21:20         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-25  5:52     ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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