Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Adrian McMenamin]

Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
inbox.

While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
are not relevant.



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:03:39 +0000,
Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> 
> Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
> responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
> inbox.

Complain sourceforge.  They are hosting the MLs.

Though, I'm not against moving from sf to somewhere better host.
Suggestions?


> While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> are not relevant.

Not relevant to whom?


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Ismail Donmez]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 302 bytes --]

Pazartesi 13 Mart 2006 21:11 tarihinde, Takashi Iwai şunları yazmıştı: 
> Though, I'm not against moving from sf to somewhere better host.
> Suggestions?

A mailing list at kernel.org would be good I think.

Regards,
ismail

-- 
An eye for eye will make the whole world blind -- Gandhi

[-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 191 bytes --]

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Adrian McMenamin]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:

> 
> > While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> > we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> > are not relevant.
> 
> Not relevant to whom?
> 
Messages like this:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 rlrevell - 03-13-06 19:33 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please read the bug reporting guidelines, you don't give nearly enough
info
(ALSA version, driver, amixer output, etc)


Belong on the web or another list but not a developer list. Because they
are not relevant to development!



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:19:13 +0000,
Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> > > we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> > > are not relevant.
> > 
> > Not relevant to whom?
> > 
> Messages like this:
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  rlrevell - 03-13-06 19:33 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please read the bug reporting guidelines, you don't give nearly enough
> info
> (ALSA version, driver, amixer output, etc)
> 
> 
> Belong on the web or another list but not a developer list. Because they
> are not relevant to development!

It's an answer to a bug report, so it's defintely a part of
development.


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Måns Rullgård]

Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes:

> At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:19:13 +0000,
> Adrian McMenamin wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > > While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
>> > > we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
>> > > are not relevant.
>> > 
>> > Not relevant to whom?
>> > 
>> Messages like this:
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  rlrevell - 03-13-06 19:33 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Please read the bug reporting guidelines, you don't give nearly enough
>> info
>> (ALSA version, driver, amixer output, etc)
>> 
>> 
>> Belong on the web or another list but not a developer list. Because they
>> are not relevant to development!
>
> It's an answer to a bug report, so it's defintely a part of
> development.

A message like that one is of little if any interest to others than
the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
reader truncates it to fit the window.

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mru@inprovide.com



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Lee Revell]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:05 +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> A message like that one is of little if any interest to others than
> the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> reader truncates it to fit the window. 

It's important these go to the -devel list so developers can respond to
bug reports



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:24:51 -0500,
Lee Revell wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:05 +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > A message like that one is of little if any interest to others than
> > the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> > tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> > shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> > reader truncates it to fit the window. 
> 
> It's important these go to the -devel list so developers can respond to
> bug reports

Well, my intention is rather that bug reports are shown to _all_
people who are involved with / interested in ALSA development.
The BTS is nice, and works well if we have enough man power to assign
each bug.  But the current situation is far from that.  We have only
handful developers.
By showing to all people, there could be more possibility that someone
reacts to it.


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid\x110944&bid$1720&dat\x121642

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:05:27 +0000,
Måns Rullgård wrote:
> 
> Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> writes:
> 
> > At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:19:13 +0000,
> > Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > > While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> >> > > we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> >> > > are not relevant.
> >> > 
> >> > Not relevant to whom?
> >> > 
> >> Messages like this:
> >> 
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>  rlrevell - 03-13-06 19:33 
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Please read the bug reporting guidelines, you don't give nearly enough
> >> info
> >> (ALSA version, driver, amixer output, etc)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Belong on the web or another list but not a developer list. Because they
> >> are not relevant to development!
> >
> > It's an answer to a bug report, so it's defintely a part of
> > development.
> 
> A message like that one is of little if any interest to others than
> the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> reader truncates it to fit the window.

Yep, agreed that the mail from mantis could be more simplified to be
suitable for ML.


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid\x110944&bid$1720&dat\x121642

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Florian Schlichting]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 780 bytes --]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 09:25:15PM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:05:27 +0000,
> Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> > tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> > shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> > reader truncates it to fit the window.
> 
> Yep, agreed that the mail from mantis could be more simplified to be
> suitable for ML.

And I think it would be useful if bug tracker emails contained a header
like References: or In-Reply-To: with the bug number or some such id, so
that all emails coming from the same bug report can be grouped in one
thread - and read or discarded together, according to interest.

Florian


[-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --]

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Eric Shattow]

Sorry, it was mentioned that the spam is only 10%;   I am experiencing
50% or higher spam versus actual content here.  FYI.  Using filters,
the bugtracker info is easy enough to sort out.

On 3/14/06, Florian Schlichting <Florian.Schlichting@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 09:25:15PM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:05:27 +0000,
> > Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > > the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> > > tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> > > shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> > > reader truncates it to fit the window.
> >
> > Yep, agreed that the mail from mantis could be more simplified to be
> > suitable for ML.
>
> And I think it would be useful if bug tracker emails contained a header
> like References: or In-Reply-To: with the bug number or some such id, so
> that all emails coming from the same bug report can be grouped in one
> thread - and read or discarded together, according to interest.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iD8DBQFEFtxK/R0+cAphf/kRAi55AKDlxzh7RnOOVcja4zxRXDTCPHqUIwCghvht
> MA/ya892LSZdxsi0Dw4Bv44=
> =IA2D
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Lee Revell]

On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 22:53 -0600, Eric Shattow wrote:
> Sorry, it was mentioned that the spam is only 10%;   I am experiencing
> 50% or higher spam versus actual content here.  FYI.  Using filters,
> the bugtracker info is easy enough to sort out.
> 

Yes X-Spam-Score.*++++ should help a lot...

> On 3/14/06, Florian Schlichting <Florian.Schlichting@gmx.de> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 09:25:15PM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:05:27 +0000,
> > > Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > > > the bug reporter.  I agree that there is a lot of noise from the bug
> > > > tracker on the list.  It would help if the subject lines used a
> > > > shorter prefix so the actual subject was visible even when the mail
> > > > reader truncates it to fit the window.
> > >
> > > Yep, agreed that the mail from mantis could be more simplified to be
> > > suitable for ML.
> >
> > And I think it would be useful if bug tracker emails contained a header
> > like References: or In-Reply-To: with the bug number or some such id, so
> > that all emails coming from the same bug report can be grouped in one
> > thread - and read or discarded together, according to interest.
> >
> > Florian
> >
> >
> >
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
> >
> > iD8DBQFEFtxK/R0+cAphf/kRAi55AKDlxzh7RnOOVcja4zxRXDTCPHqUIwCghvht
> > MA/ya892LSZdxsi0Dw4Bv44=
> > =IA2D
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> >
> >
> &#0;N\x18HS^隊X'u<ڂ.y"\v\x1c*mx%jx.j\a^קvƩXjبȧ\x1emݚv&קv^+jZ{az^h஋n){h\x18\x1cا׫+h(mZ\x1fjY\x1awǥrg@y$5Oxḝ\x03n5m\x1dj5^	liׯzYXX	liׯzYb,y+޶^[m+-.ǟ\x1e\x7f+-bا~ږƝz



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Lee Revell]

On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 22:53 -0600, Eric Shattow wrote:
> Sorry, it was mentioned that the spam is only 10%;   I am experiencing
> 50% or higher spam versus actual content here.  FYI.  Using filters,
> the bugtracker info is easy enough to sort out.
> 

Actually I think the cutoff spam score should be lowered to 3:

X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++)
X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See
http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to
http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 3.4
RATWARE_RCVD_PF  Bulk email fingerprint (Received PF) found 0.2
DATE_IN_PAST_06_12     Date: is 6 to 12 hours before Received: date
Subject: [Alsa-devel] fw: Valuable stock market information including
insider data

Lee




-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Adrian McMenamin]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:03:39 +0000,
> Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> > 
> > Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
> > responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
> > inbox.
> 
> Complain sourceforge.  They are hosting the MLs.
> 
The mailserver alsa.jcu.cz doesn't look like a sourceforge box to me.


> Though, I'm not against moving from sf to somewhere better host.
> Suggestions?
> 

How about sourceforge :)




-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:21:50 +0000,
Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:03:39 +0000,
> > Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> > > 
> > > Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
> > > responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
> > > inbox.
> > 
> > Complain sourceforge.  They are hosting the MLs.
> > 
> The mailserver alsa.jcu.cz doesn't look like a sourceforge box to me.
> 
> 
> > Though, I'm not against moving from sf to somewhere better host.
> > Suggestions?
> > 
> 
> How about sourceforge :)

You're sending to a wrong address.  It's an old ml address, and simply
reroutes to sf.net.

The right address is alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net.


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Philip Prindeville]

Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:21:50 +0000,
> Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:11 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>
>>>At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:03:39 +0000,
>>>Adrian McMenamin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
>>>>responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
>>>>inbox.
>>>
>>>Complain sourceforge.  They are hosting the MLs.
>>>
>>
>>The mailserver alsa.jcu.cz doesn't look like a sourceforge box to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Though, I'm not against moving from sf to somewhere better host.
>>>Suggestions?
>>>
>>
>>How about sourceforge :)
> 
> 
> You're sending to a wrong address.  It's an old ml address, and simply
> reroutes to sf.net.
> 
> The right address is alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net.
> 
> 
> Takashi


It might be the case that the new mailer whitelists stuff coming from the
old mailer, and the old mailer doesn't have the bar set very high...

In which case, turning off the old mailer might be sufficient...

But probably not.

In any case, I've opened a case with the SF folks, and offered to help them
fine tune SA to filter better.

For instance, adding SA 3 points to "open" mailing lists to raise the criteria
of what passes and what doesn't would already go a long way...

-Philip



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Lee Revell]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 19:03 +0000, Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
> responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
> inbox.
> 
> While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> are not relevant.

Please, calm down - the spam is only like 5-10%.  alsa-devel has to be
an open list so kernel developers can cross-post to it.

Lee



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:26:52 -0500,
Lee Revell wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 19:03 +0000, Adrian McMenamin wrote:
> > Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
> > responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
> > inbox.
> > 
> > While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
> > we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
> > are not relevant.
> 
> Please, calm down - the spam is only like 5-10%.  alsa-devel has to be
> an open list so kernel developers can cross-post to it.

Well, but it's true that the amount of spam from alsa-devel is much
more than from LKML.  (It's still acceptable to me, though.)

OTOH, moving a ML host is also confusing, shouldn't be done so often.


Takashi


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Lee Revell]

On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:42 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Well, but it's true that the amount of spam from alsa-devel is much
> more than from LKML.  (It's still acceptable to me, though.) 

I think the spam mails are close in number but the much greater LKML
volume drowns it out.  It does seem that we should be able to do a
little better, like loweing the spam score threshold, which IIRC can be
done via the Mailman interface.

How about simply filtering out all HTML mail like LKML does?

Lee



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Philip Prindeville]

Lee Revell wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 20:42 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
>>Well, but it's true that the amount of spam from alsa-devel is much
>>more than from LKML.  (It's still acceptable to me, though.) 
> 
> 
> I think the spam mails are close in number but the much greater LKML
> volume drowns it out.  It does seem that we should be able to do a
> little better, like loweing the spam score threshold, which IIRC can be
> done via the Mailman interface.
> 
> How about simply filtering out all HTML mail like LKML does?
> 
> Lee

If I can vote for that more than once, I will... ;-)

-Philip


-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642

Re: Ludicrous amount of spam on this list

[Måns Rullgård]

Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> writes:

> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 19:03 +0000, Adrian McMenamin wrote:
>> Can we just close it down and go elsewhere if nobody is going to take
>> responsibility? It is a real pain - biggest single source of spam in my
>> inbox.
>> 
>> While we're at it can the bug messages not go to a separate list so that
>> we just get development traffic on this one? Most of the bug messages
>> are not relevant.
>
> Please, calm down - the spam is only like 5-10%.  alsa-devel has to be
> an open list so kernel developers can cross-post to it.

Any chance kernel.org could host it and subject it to the same filters
as linux-kernel?

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mru@inprovide.com



-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language
that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast
and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory!
http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642