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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev <Linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: USB support on mpc5200 broken
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:31:41 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222831901.12264.8.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48E243C5.7000100@genesi-usa.com>


> This is what we were recommended to use at the time. There is a patch
> on www.powerdeveloper.org which tweaks the tree to make it ultra-compliant
> with the Linux version of things, which implements every variation. It
> also implements a suggested patch which added a "big-endian" property
> (not built in to the compatible property, but another property).
> 
> I don't see why THAT patch got reverted as it was a great idea that we
> all agreed was a great idea.

I agree. Something needs to be fixed on the OHCI OF stuff, it should
definitely cope with the "big-endian" property (which is a practice
borrowed from Apple that I recommended I think back then) and I don't
see any problem with having ohci-be in the "compatible" property, its
trivial enough to cope in the driver and being anal about it on the
kernel side doesn't really bring any benefit.

Care to send a patch ?

> Linux development around here is getting really schizophrenic. Nobody
> is writing these decisions down even as comments in the source code..

That isn't entirely true. There's the ePAPR effort on power.org that is
codifying a lot of that, and there are binding documents dropped in
Documentation/powerpc.

> No; you can have little endian OHCI controllers on big endian machines.
> It's a property of the host controller, not the system architecture, just
> like PCI is always little endian (except when you have magic in hardware
> like Amiga PowerUP cards which endianswap for you :)

In fact, you can have both kinds on the same machine.

Note about the Amiga stuff: it's a bad idea :-) Every attempt at
"magically" fixing endian in HW is a recipe for tears and disasters.
Approximately ... always. The only cases that I know that have a remote
chance of being useful are specifically programmable swappers on a given
device or per-page endian configuration in the processor (like BooKE).

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-01  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-24 21:51 USB support on mpc5200 broken Jon Smirl
2008-09-25  1:09 ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-25  1:50   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-09-25  2:40     ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29  1:30     ` Matt Sealey
2008-09-29  3:43       ` David Gibson
2008-09-29 14:14         ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 14:22           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-29 14:28             ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 15:07               ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-29 20:18           ` Scott Wood
2008-09-29 21:04             ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 22:02               ` Grant Likely
2008-09-30 15:20           ` Matt Sealey
2008-10-01  3:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-10-01  9:46               ` Carsten Schlote
2008-10-01 10:36                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-10-06 21:06               ` Matt Sealey
2008-09-29 15:18         ` Sven Luther
2008-09-29 17:05           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-30  1:12           ` David Gibson
2008-09-30  1:24             ` Raquel and Bill
2008-09-30 15:15         ` Matt Sealey
2008-11-03 15:41   ` Grant Likely
2008-11-03 16:21     ` Jon Smirl

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